Beginners and Beyond

B&B 2022 Miles Game (Read 50 times)

DavePNW


     

    There are 3  years of history, they just represent low mileage.

     

    Two miles is not really much different than zero, in the scope of this game. Unless that person's true goal or capability was something like 3 miles per week, but I that's not really the case here. Please don't get me wrong, yes we want to support and encourage everyone here, including anyone who did just get off the couch and has a history of zero. It just creates an outlier based on how this game is structured.

     

    Anyway - how did I get 10 points? My goal is 59 and I ran 54. Shouldn't I have 9?

    MTA: OK, just plugged it into excel using the formula you indicated, I guess it's the way you're rounding/truncating.

    Dave

    wcrunner2


    Are we there, yet?

       

      Anyway - how did I get 10 points? My goal is 59 and I ran 54. Shouldn't I have 9?

       

      You're within 10% of your goal.

       2024 Races:

            03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

            05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
            06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.

       

       

           

      DanFuller


      5K Specialist

         

        I'm not sure we can. The game was designed to use prior 3 years of running history as baseline. If that does not exist, the numbers just don't really make a lot of sense. But whatevs.

         

        I have been battling injuries for the last four years. The dedication was there but the body wasn't.

         

        My suggestion is to average out my 11 years of running. It gives me a better target too.

         

         

        Year Miles
        2011 410.76
        2012 822.63
        2013 1136.59
        2014 983.19
        2015 601.52
        2016 566.34
        2017 632.99
        2018 216.99
        2019 47.86
        2020 131.35
        2021 200.07

         

         

        Average = 10 MPW

        Personal Bests:

        800M - 2:38 (5/28/13) | 1 Mile -5:54 (5/28/13) | 3K - 11:55 (12/29/12) | 2M - 13:00 (12/1/12) | 5K - 20:00 (4/12/13) | 13.1M - 1:37:24 (2/3/13)

        Docket_Rocket


        Former Bad Ass

          11 might be a bit too much but maybe for next time, we can choose something like a 5 year average for those that have been running as much and 3 for the newer runners.

          Damaris

          DanFuller


          5K Specialist

            11 might be a bit too much but maybe for next time, we can choose something like a 5 year average for those that have been running as much and 3 for the newer runners.

             

            I am just trying to bump the number up to make it fair. 2 doesn’t do anything for me either. Two runs in a week right now = 20 points.

            Personal Bests:

            800M - 2:38 (5/28/13) | 1 Mile -5:54 (5/28/13) | 3K - 11:55 (12/29/12) | 2M - 13:00 (12/1/12) | 5K - 20:00 (4/12/13) | 13.1M - 1:37:24 (2/3/13)

            Docket_Rocket


            Former Bad Ass

               

              I am just trying to bump the number up to make it fair. 2 doesn’t do anything for me either. Two runs in a week right now = 20 points.

               

              Don't worry; it will be fine. You win this year, someone else wins next year. It's all good.

              Damaris

              Cyberic


                 

                Anyway - how did I get 10 points? My goal is 59 and I ran 54. Shouldn't I have 9?

                MTA: OK, just plugged it into excel using the formula you indicated, I guess it's the way you're rounding/truncating.

                 

                It's not about the rounding/truncating. The idea was to have a game where you were getting 10 points for running your average. If my average is 50 over 3 years, it can't mean that I'm always running 50 or more. So if you're roughly running 50 miles week after week you get your 10 points.

                I could have made that + or - 2.5, but I also liked.the idea that running 1 single mile in a week was worth a point. So I ended up with that formula, in which the 10 point range of + or - 10% is twice as big as any other point range.

                Fredford66


                Waltons ThreadLord

                  Lots of good discussion here.

                   

                  Yes, this is the "Beginners and Beyond" forum, so beginners ought not be discouraged.

                  Yes, it's only a game.

                  On the other hand, a game has to be fun and hold peoples' interest.

                   

                  My thoughts:

                  • This is only the second year we've been doing this and nothing says it was perfect as originally designed.  We should be willing to make tweaks. 
                  • The idea of setting a cap of 15 points could be one such tweak. (ETA:  As I think about this maybe we should stay with 20.  If you go over 150%, your standard deviation score is likely to take a hit, so you might as well get some benefit - this assumes we make the goal change listed below.  I keep going back and forth on this one.)
                  • Letting people voluntarily set goals higher than the default 3-year average could be another tweak (Dan - thank you for the offer to change your goal).
                  • As the person administering the game this year, I don't want to get into adding points for forum participation - that would require a lot more tracking/effort.  Right now, I just download data once/week and let the Excel lookup function pull the data, then a couple of quick copy/paste operations and I'm done.

                   

                  I don't mind administering the game, but I don't want to be the owner with sole or arbitrary decision making power.  How do people feel about:

                  1. The voluntary setting of higher goals (e.g. Dan's 10 miles/week)
                  2. Capping weekly points at 15 rather than 20 (i.e. 150% of target rather than 200% of target)

                  Above all, I'd like to keep this friendly, fun, and active.

                  5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
                  10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

                  Upcoming races: Scotch Plains 5k, 6/12; Firecracker 4-miler, 7/4

                   

                  BerthaSlayer


                  MM#5991

                    I'm good with whatever decision is made. I'm just glad to be able to participate.  But I agree that if the game is going to be yearly (I hope so) that somehow new runners can be brought in. A brand new runner may not have any data so not sure how to accommodate this?

                     

                    Regardless,  maybe this can be a year of tweaking things to see what works and what doesn't.

                    Lori

                    *it's Bertha or me. My money is on me.*

                     **"There is no growth in the comfort zone and no comfort in the growth zone".---- Sandy**

                     

                    wolvmar


                    UM 45 Ohio 23

                      I'm good with whatever decision is made. I'm just glad to be able to participate.  But I agree that if the game is going to be yearly (I hope so) that somehow new runners can be brought in. A brand new runner may not have any data so not sure how to accommodate this?

                       

                      Regardless,  maybe this can be a year of tweaking things to see what works and what doesn't.

                       

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                      wcrunner2


                      Are we there, yet?

                        How about adding a rule of 4 straight weeks of 20 points and their baseline is recomputed to their yearly average.

                         2024 Races:

                              03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

                              05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
                              06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour.

                         

                         

                             

                        KCRuns


                          Dan's suggestion is a good one at 10 mpw, especially when factoring in that his 3 year average included a lot of injury, which I did not know when I posted yesterday.  And it's a number he's been achieving for the last 5-6 weeks, so it's not a stretch goal.

                           

                          Perhaps goals are set in the future based on the 3 year average, but with a minimum number of weekly miles, like it can't be a weekly goal less than 10 for the game.  or something.  that does seem fair and is still achievable for most people, including beginners who may join later.

                          KCRuns


                            How about adding a rule of 4 straight weeks of 20 points and their baseline is recomputed to their yearly average.

                             

                            This was posted while I was typing.  Also a very good suggestion that keeps the game fair throughout the year for all players.  I like this.

                            Fredford66


                            Waltons ThreadLord

                              How about adding a rule of 4 straight weeks of 20 points and their baseline is recomputed to their yearly average.

                               

                              Now we're adding complexity in administration.  Also, you're throwing away the runner's history, which wasn't the original design of the game.

                               

                              (Thank you for the suggestion.  All input is welcome.)

                              5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 
                              10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)

                              Upcoming races: Scotch Plains 5k, 6/12; Firecracker 4-miler, 7/4

                               

                              Baboon


                              delicate flower

                                 

                                Now we're adding complexity in administration. 

                                 

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