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First Marathon is June 3rd! (Read 422 times)

    Me and my friend a.k.a. mjcrawf and some other friends are training for our first marathon on June 3rd. It is the Rock-n-Roll Marathon in San Diego. Anybody ran in this before? We have never been to San Diego and are pretty excited. On with the question. My friend and I do not really run on a regular basis before now. I say all total last year I ran about 40 miles. I like to play sports and I lift weights so I wouldnt say Im in terrible shape. We started our training this week with a 4 mile run on Monday. I think thats the farthest I have ever ran, and it was the first time Ive ran at all in about 2 months. The 4 miler took all I had (approx. 10:00-11:00 min./mile). Just wanted some opinions as to whether 21 weeks is enough time to train. I know it will be hard no matter what and I dont doubt we can do it. Just wondering if our backs are against the wall or if this is adequate time to get ready. One more question...How long did you guys (and gals) really run on a regular basis before you decided to run a marathon? Thanks for your answers and I am enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on other threads also. Keep it up.

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    madness baby

      That marathon sounds really fun. SD is a great city and I'm sure you'll enjoy the sights. There are a couple of people on this site thinking about that marathon, I think. I haven't run a full yet, but I am following a 12-week plan for a half, and I felt like I could have run it about a week ago. (This tapering is a REAL bummer and I could do without.) Before that, I hadn't ever really been running, and now I'm considering running a full in early March. So, in my completely inexperienced opinion, I think you got it. As long as you can stay healthy and listen to your body, I'm sure you could train in that time. Just take easy runs EASY. That was hard for me because no run was ever easy and as it started getting easier, I kept up the struggle. But then I figured out what easy run meant and it's made training that much more enjoyable. Good luck! Smile
      deb


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        Firstly, anyone can finish a marathon, but they may have to walk a lot of it. 21 weeks is enough to build uo to a run 10 mins walk 1 min and you can finish around 5-6 hours without feeling too out of it. To run the entire marathon you would probably want to go into an 18 week prior training prgram being able to run at least 6 miles without stopping. Go through the training at your own pace and do not try to run farther or faster than you are capable or you will injur yourself and not be able to run the race at all. Hope this helps! Dave
          I don't want to discourage you but your plan is pretty ambitious. You can finish a marathon with a walk/run strategy with limited training but you need to be careful. You don't want to go too fast and end up with a over use injury like ITB problems or achillies tendonitis, this can sideline you for weeks. Most of the trainers will tell you that you need to be able to run for about 1 1/2 hours before you should jump into a full marathon training plan. You might want to consider a 1/2 marathon in June (I think the R&R in San diego has a 1/2) and a full marathon in the fall. Listen to your body. Don't get discouraged and you will get there. Good luck and enjoy the adventure. Smile
            Thanks for the response guys (and girls Wink). My goal is to run the marathon, not run/walk it. Like you were saying runchicrun, right now there is no such thing as an easy run,lol. They are all hard and my goal is just to finish them. I ran my first two 5 milers this weekend and this morning. The first was very very hard, the second was hard but not as bad. I look forward to the days when I can distinguish between a hard run and an easy one. Thus far my body feels good, but I havent hit any of the really long distances yet either. I will definately try and listen to my body, once I know what it sounds like Clowning around

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              Since I was just discussing this ... I'll repeat myself. My first was Chicago in 1997. I was in decent shape - I'd just gotten out of the Marine Corps 3 years earlier - but wasn't really running. I trained just for that summer. Maybe 12 weeks. Probably never ran more than 4 times in a week, never hit 30 miles in a week, and ran one - just one - long run of 13 miles. And then I ran every step of the marathon. And hated it. It was a horrible experience. I literally didn't run another step for several years. It was absolutely the wrong way to go about it. Are you catching my drift? The answer to your question is - yes, what you're talking about is possible. But possible doesn't mean smart, or fun, or healthy. You'd be far better off slowly building a base for the next year or two, running 4-5 times a week, getting up to 30-35 mpw, getting your longer run every other week up to 15-16 miles ... and THEN shooting for your first marathon. But since you won't listen, guaranteed, take some very good advice: at the very least, do NOT go into it with any finishing time goal in mind, and don't worry about the "running" versus "walking" distinction. My second marathon, the one that got me hooked, was one in which I accidentally did things right. No clue what I was doing, and again I wasn't trained - one 10-miler, one 13-miler - but I had the right attitude. I walked a little bit each mile, enjoyed the experience, met some people, had a blast ... ... and even though I was a decade older, my time was 10 minutes FASTER than that first marathon. And I was running again 3 days later, and I've run 2 more marathons and a couple thousand miles since. Good luck, whatever you do. San Diego is supposed to be one of the best out there.
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                madness baby

                  Thanks for the response guys (and girls Wink). My goal is to run the marathon, not run/walk it. Like you were saying runchicrun, right now there is no such thing as an easy run,lol. They are all hard and my goal is just to finish them. I ran my first two 5 milers this weekend and this morning. The first was very very hard, the second was hard but not as bad. I look forward to the days when I can distinguish between a hard run and an easy one. Thus far my body feels good, but I havent hit any of the really long distances yet either. I will definately try and listen to my body, once I know what it sounds like Clowning around
                  Since it sounds like you're where I was a couple of months ago, I'll pass on some advice, almost all of which was given to me on this site. -Time your first mile on all of your runs. Then force yourself to slow down and try to add a minute or so per mile. You should be able to talk to someone. Easy runs are really nice for me right now, but it took my first 10-mile run before I figured out what an easy run should feel like (because I had to to be able to run that far). My husband and I were talking during the run, we were running on a softer trail, and it was just wonderful. I wish I had been pushed (or slowed down!!!) to find this "mental place" earlier. -Take a day off before and after long runs for now. That means 5 miles for you right now. I've had some terrible little runs, and they were all like 2 or 3 mile recovery runs because I ran too soon after a long run. You will have better long runs if you do this. You will also be less likely to get injured. Also, it can really get you down to not be able to run a mile becuase you've not recovered from the run the day before. -About the walking. I was determined to run the whole damn thing for each of my training runs. I didn't do the couch to 5K program or anything and was not up for wasting my time walking. But today, I did a longer run and walked a couple of times and stopped at water fountains many times. It makes the run more fun and gives me some juice at the end. Plus, get some Gu or something to take on those longer runs. That helps. -Be careful with consecutive training days at the beginning of your training. What training plan are you following? My runnersworld.com plan didn't have me running consecutive days for hte first 10 weeks or something. And I'm trying to continue that to keep from getting injured. Sometimes listening to your body is anticipating what your body will do if you overtrain. Don't overtrain, don't do it! And Jake had some great points. But it's hard to listen sometimes. I didn't really ask advice about running a full because I didn't want someone to tell me it was a bad idea Wink Ha ha, why does that make me laugh so much? Good luck with your training. And talk to your friend if you're able to run together. Or sing to each other. Smile
                  deb
                    Thanks runchic. Thats some good advice from someone who seems to have been exactly where I am. I was telling my friend last night about some of the things ive read on here. One of the main things that comes up is listening to your body and not overtraining. His knee has been hurting him and we were talking about how its hard to tell if its something that may become serious or just aches and paines. Nobody wants to miss a work-out already, but I know thats the smart thing to not risk serious injury. Our schedule gives us two days off. We have 2 days of running, then a day off, then 2 days running, then the long run, then a day off to end the week. The day before the long run we always run 4 miles. Never gets any higher throughout the training. we got the plan from running planet. It has a 24 week recreational runners plan. We started at week 3 because we didnt have 24 weeks.

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                      TWTiger, I am fortunate enough to live in San Diego, and can tell you that aside from the cost, it is the greatest city! I too am signed up for RnR and it is my first Marathon. I have a co-worker who has ran it the last 6 years, as well as Honolulu 4 times and LA 4 times. He says all 3 have their ups and downs, but no major complaints about RnR, except for all the Team in Training people. Seems they tend to block the road a lot by running 5 and 6 abreast. I am also signed up for the La Jolla HM at the end of April as a training race for RnR. Also heard it is great. Good luck with your training.
                        SpinDR, I know this isn't the topic of the thread but now that you mentioned it. I too have experienced the "Team In Training" roadblock. I was training for the Marine Corp Marathon in DC when it got to the point where every Saturday morning the running trails through DC were clogged with Team in Training newbies who always, and I mean always, run 4, 5 or 6 wide. I know they do a great thing but their group leaders do need to teach them the rules of the road: "Stay to the Right and let people pass on the left". Team in Training people, please don't kill me for this comment. I admire what your doing, just share the road.... Smile
                          S&S, I agree it is tough to complain about a group that is doing so much for a worthy cause, however, having spoken with quite a few marathoners who have ran into the purple wall, and having witnessed it first hand while rooting for a friend, i'd hope the word gets out to the trainers/coaches to remind them to share the road.
                            Thanks SPin Doc. I dont expect to pass too many people so I may not have to worry about running into the team in training wall. We are excited about San Diego, because we have never been there (or California for that matter). Do most marathons have entertainment along the way? That is one aspect I really like about this one. Seems like it would give you a lift and help time past.

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                              I think a lot of marathons do have some music, but the RnR is designed to give you that non-stop music motivation. Official training starts today. Rest day, phew!! 18 weeks to go!