The League of Extraordinary Runners

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Durrr


    The only time I ever doubled was during the week Adubb and I spent at running camp, back in the summer before senior year. They would have us get up early in the morning for a swift four mile run around campus followed by a significantly longer run up and down a mountain that afternoon (not to mention all the other activities we'd have to do in between, including calisthenic/core workouts and form-honing exercises). I wonder if there are any running camps out there for people out of high school/college ...


    Diesel Power

      The low HR program is definitely something I can see myself doing as a summer training program. While my aerobic base is kind of pitiful right now, I think it’s more than adequate to run a few shorter distance races between now and June 7. The aerobic base training that this program calls for has you run nothing but base mileage for about twelve weeks. However, this is aerobic training only… no tempos, no fartleks, no intervals, no hills, no weight lifting. I wonder if yoga would even be appropriate… The idea is, over time, to be able to cover the same distance at the same heart rate, but at a faster pace (much as we were discussing earlier). Other people on that forum seem to be having success with it. If I started the program after the 6/7 Kiwanis 10K, a twelve week program would take me until 8/30. That would mean I’d get to skip speed work and races during the hottest months of the year. Of course, I’ll likely see how my current training program goes, and see if I can find any major criticisms to the slow aerobic base training the program calls for. However, if I get injured between now and Kiwanis, it’s a virtual lock I’ll try a program like this.
      Durrr


        I'd be happy with doing nothing but light base mileage from mid June to early August.


        Diesel Power

          It would probably go along way to getting you prepared for the fall season, maybe even a HALF MARATHON somewhere around BALTIMORE...
          AmoresPerros


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            I was going to try to do 4x800 on 3:00, but ran with some CBRCers over at Patuxent, and they did a 1600 then 800s. I got 05:58 on 16:00, then 02:58, 02:57, 02:55 on 3x800, and skipped the last 800. But that was better than 4x800 anyway. I was pretty tired out.

            It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


            Diesel Power

              Sounds like you had a pretty good workout... I don't think you should have much of a problem breaking 20:00 come Hospice. While it’s true that I’ll likely be starting an aerobic-only base program in June, it’s still business-as-usual for the next two months. I’m toying around with the training method I described previously by Pete Pfitzinger. This model has lactate threshold runs (i.e., tempo runs) done at 75% - 88% of heart rate reserve. This is roughly 80% - 90% of max heart rate. First, I must preface by saying that the Forerunner is absurd. I set up an “Advanced” training workout for the tempo… 1.25 mile warm-up at less than 70% HRR (this turned into a 2 mile warm-up after some minor user errors), followed by one mile splits of 160 – 166bpm, 166 – 172 bpm, and 173 – 178 bpm (75 – 88% HRR = 160 bpm – 178 bpm). I ended with a 1.25 mile cool down. The workout itself was pretty great, but ran a bit fast. I think I may be overstating my max heart rate at 195… it may actually be closer to 190. Hopefully I’ll have a better idea of that after the hill workout tomorrow and the 400s next Thursday. As for last night, I did the three mile tempo at negative splits. The first mile was 8:22 (avg. HR 164), the second 7:43 (avg. HR 170), and the third 7:08 (avg. HR 174). I kept thinking to myself how awesome the workout was. The cool down at the end started VERY slow, as I had some trouble getting my HR down to 150 bpm. I was probably going 11:00/mi at the start of it. However, after about five minutes or so, I was able to speed up to about 9:30. A max HR is 190 would have put my tempo range between 157 – 174 bpm, which isn’t too far off of what I actually did. I don’t think I touched much higher than 176 bpm. We’ll see what happens. I felt very fresh after the slower 6.5 mile run on Saturday and 3 mile run on Sunday. Of course the absolutely beautiful weather didn’t hurt. This was probably the first day where since the fall where everyone on the NCR Trail (shocker, the parking lot was full yesterday evening) was wearing shorts and tees. Go to weather.com, look at the 10-day forecast, and select “Fitness and Exercise” from the drop-down menu at the top. You don’t know how psyched I get when I see “COMFORTABLE” next to all of my planned training days. The best running weather of the year is upon us.
              Durrr


                I'm not sure what the weather was like in Towson yesterday, but down here it could've easily been mistaken for a somewhat mild day in June rather than the first of April. The temperature was hanging just below 80 with a fair amount humidity clinging to the air. Aside from that, the wind was absurd. While I was stretching in the parking lot of Dorsey Park, I could only keep my car door open for a matter of seconds before the wind would blow it shut. Then a stupid truck started driving round and round a nearby baseball diamond, causing a literal sand storm to be blown right in my direction. I also I had another issue. Although I hadn't felt any pain throughout the day, as soon as I put my running shoes on I began feeling a sharp sting over the area of the bone that juts out just below the right, inner side of my left ankle. I had to limp to the bathroom, and I was indubitably perplexed as to what could have caused this painful sensation all a sudden. Luckily I had a freezer pack that was still cold in my lunch bag, so after removing my left shoe and sock (there were no abrasions to the skin) I applied the "ice." As I began my warm up lap, the pain in my shoe quickly dissipated, allowing me to proceed. I had the Forerunner with me yesterday, and upon completing the warm up I received a bit of a shock. The loop that we have for so long contended to be 1.66 miles is actually 1.55 miles! We've been running a lie. Anyways, after that warm up lap, I launched without pause or hesitation into a two lap, 3.1 mile (just a few meters shy of a full 5k) tempo run. My goal was to keep the pace sub-7:00/mi --- 6:45, specifically. I did indeed keep the pace well below 7:00 (especially when the savage wind was at my back) on all the straight, open and flat stretches, but not so much up the hills or over the twisty, root-enmeshed trails or around the numerous sharp, right angle turns that destroy momentum. Thus I finished the distance in 22:19, which equals an average pace of 7:14/mi. Considering the unseasonable heat, ferocious wind, and intense running, I was panting and parched by the end of third lap. So, contrary to my original statement, I stopped there and desperately rehydrated. Eventually I ran a fourth, cool down lap, amassing 6.2 miles for the day.


                Diesel Power

                  Is that different from the previous pain you were having in your foot? Is it even on the same foot? That may be something you want to have foot & ankle specialist look at… you may even want to find one who is a runner. It’s fine if you’re able to run through the pain now (in fact, the pain may be only before and after running, but not during), but that can change if it is not taken care of. If nothing else, I’d invest in a 5-gallon bucket from a hardware store, so you can do the ice bath properly. It was also fairly windy up my way, but I think it was blowing in a direction that the surrounding trees quelled it. It got to be extremely windy overnight, though.
                  Durrr


                    Same foot, but a very different spot. I'm thinking about skipping and/or postponing that hill workout I had planned for tomorrow, since I'm sore today and the tempo run yesterday included numerous hills, anyways.
                    Durrr


                      I did indeed skip the hill workout yesterday. Aside from still feeling Tuesday, the weather was plain nasty. It was cold and raining, obviously, and the precipitation included a grain-like substance that seemed to be a cross between sleet and hail. So I consented to simply doing a slow, 58:## 10k around my neighborhoods. I thought about doing some fartleks, but after stepping in muck and getting my right foot soaked down to the sock, early on in the run, I lost motivation.
                      AmoresPerros


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                        I skipped Thu entirely -- after my intervals on Tue, and then Wed I took easy, joining Rebecca for some second halves of her 800s (doing the second 400m with someone who did the first 400m hard, is a lot easier Smile ) -- and then swimming a mile afterwards, I figured a day off wouldn't hurt, plus the sleet/whatever really looked unattractive. DR, I'd probably like to do hiills at Ryken with you, if you decide to do them next week.

                        It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                        Durrr


                          Next week is supposed to be a very hardcore training week, as the following week will be light in favor of the race. On Tuesday I plan to do two sub-9:00 2400s with a 200 sandwiched in the middle, and on Thursday I'm aiming for the hill workout at Ryken.


                          Diesel Power

                            The weather last night was treacherous up here as well... the wind chill dipped below 40, and at one point I faced a steady wintry mix. I think this was Old Man Winter's final attempt to deter my running in early 2008. However, I beat him into submission, and I hope he'll stay down until around November. This was to be my third (and final) consecutive week featuring a Van Buren hill workout. I'm very proud to say that I'm still undefeated against this hill... the beast has never kept me from getting to the top. Granted, my breathing featured an uncontrollable high-pitched wheeze on repeats five and six, but as I proclaimed after several of the repeats, "This is MY f*****g hill!" I warmed up and down for 1.5 miles each, totaling 4 miles on the day. Here's a snapshot of my hill workouts for the first half of the year: 02/28 - 1:20, 1:18, 1:18 03/20 - 1:13, 1:14, 1:16, 1:17 03/27 - 1:18, 1:15, 1:18, 1:15, 1:10 04/03 - 1:16, 1:14, 1:15, 1:17, 1:15, 1:13 One of my goals last night was to run all of the repeats in 1:17 or faster. I think I've definitely gotten a bit faster on these, but being able to run faster/more frequent repeats can probably best be attributed to gains in mental toughness. Of course, that may prove to be more beneficial than an increase in leg strength come 4/19. During the warm-down (about two minutes after the last hill), I determined that I probably could have run one more repeat in 1:18 or... however, I definitely would have thrown up. I should also mention that this hill is right next to an apartment complex, a small suburban community, and a community park that has two tennis courts, a basketball court, and is often host to lacrosse and football game/practices. I've only gained a few heckles during my hill workouts, but the strange stares have been far more numerous. That's pretty much why I don't discuss hill workouts with non-runners... they tend to think you're crazy.
                            Durrr


                              You've certainly mastered that hill, and the Leonardtown hill on the Hospice course will be no match for you. Remember, nothing demoralizes a racing opponent more than when you pass them while ascending a hill.
                              AmoresPerros


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                                Passing them and turning your head and throwing up on them, might also throw them off their stride Smile

                                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.