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Flu Treatment.. (Read 579 times)

Sulli42


    Does that mean I have to stay away from the internet too? Confused Good God, what has it all come to.
    Trent


    Good Bad & The Monkey

      I deserve little if any respect. Or so my wife and kids say. But I have had to deal with these issues, erm, from time to time. This is a good source of info, BTW: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/
      Does that mean I have to stay away from the internet too? Confused Good God, what has it all come to.
      Oh no. If you are stuck at home, you are required to double your internet time Big grin


      1983

        well let's see... I've been holding off on the ibuprofen, unless my temp starts going above 101.
        I also generally hold off on the ibuprofen unless over 101. I've been under the impression that reducing the fever by taking ibuprophen too early will slow down my body's fighting off and killing whatever germs are running rampant. No idea if this is right or not. Comments anyone ...(Trent?)
        Favorite quote: Stop your crying you little girl! 2011: Mt Washington, Washington Trails, Peaks Island, Pikes Peak.
        Trent


        Good Bad & The Monkey

          There is no science to back this up...at least none that I know.
            I also generally hold off on the ibuprofen unless over 101. I've been under the impression that reducing the fever by taking ibuprophen too early will slow down my body's fighting off and killing whatever germs are running rampant. No idea if this is right or not. Comments anyone ...
            Our family dr. just told us the very same thing, he said not to treat anything under 100.3. Not sure where he came up with that precise number.

            Michelle



            mikeymike


              So the flu is officially in my house now. My youngest (23 mo) just got tested. I highly suspect that my 8 y.o. also has it since she's had a fever for many days now even though she says she feels fine. All the kiddos got the flu shot. My wife and I did not get the flu shot. The baby has been been pretty much in our bed the last 3 nights as she has not been sleeping much. Often she has been laying on top of me, blowing snot bubbles at me, or generally oozing from her nose, mouth and eyes. I've basically taken a bath in flu virus for the last 3 nights, have slept very little, and have been running 70 mpw. It it pretty much inevitable I'm going to get run over by this thing?

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              Trent


              Good Bad & The Monkey

                Have fun! And maybe call your doc and ask for Tamiflu NOW.


                The Greatest of All Time

                  Our family dr. just told us the very same thing, he said not to treat anything under 100.3. Not sure where he came up with that precise number.
                  If I remember my immunology correctly I think the reason is something like this: infectious viruses and bacteria (pathogens) will typically thrive inside your body at it's normal temperature, 98.6. But these little buggars, although nasty, will often die off or fail to replicate if the temperature is raised. So, your body's immune response it to raise its temperature to make it less hospitable for the virus or bacteria. That's the theory anyway. So some doctors think it's better to let the fever burn off the bad guys as long as the fever is low enough to tolerate. I do know from lab work I did as an undergrad that bacteria can grow like crazy at 38 C but raise the temp to 39 C and they stop growing completely. Viruses on the other hand are trickier since they can't self replicate.
                  all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be

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                  Trent


                  Good Bad & The Monkey

                    Sadly, biology does not work in vivo like it does in vitro. If all we had to do to stop infections was to increase or decrease body temperature, we would not have problems. The body does heat up to try and control infections, but it is imperfect. The buggers still thrive and replicate in the warmer environment AND often we get hotter than we need to. Plus, some bugs tend to be more pyrogenic than others, as if they do better in the heat. Strep and Flu tend to cause fairly high fevers. Taking anti-fever medicines do not make the infection harder for your body to clear. But there is no need to treat most fevers other than for comfort.


                    The Greatest of All Time

                      Strep and Flu tend to cause fairly high fevers.
                      My worst fevers have been secondary to strep infections. Those are horrible. I doubt that I have ever had true influenza. It's sort of a very misused generic term that people throw around to indicate they are sick, when they most likely have a cold.
                      all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be

                      Obesity is a disease. Yes, a disease where nothing tastes bad...except salads.
                        I do know from lab work I did as an undergrad that bacteria can grow like crazy at 38 C but raise the temp to 39 C and they stop growing completely. Viruses on the other hand are trickier since they can't self replicate.
                        That's not necessarily true. We work with a lot of bacteria at 37C because it is body temperature and we want to see what the bugs are doing at the same temperature they would experience during an infection. Alot of pathogens can grow happily up to 42C. Some (but not most) can grow pretty well at room temperature (25to30C). I'm a bacteriologist though so I don't know anything about viruses or immune system Tongue I thought the fever was at least partially a side effect of the immune response rather than an actual defense mechanism.
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                        The Greatest of All Time

                          That's not necessarily true. We work with a lot of bacteria at 37C because it is body temperature and we want to see what the bugs are doing at the same temperature they would experience during an infection. Alot of pathogens can grow happily up to 42C. Some (but not most) can grow pretty well at room temperature (25to30C). I'm a bacteriologist though so I don't know anything about viruses or immune system Tongue I thought the fever was at least partially a side effect of the immune response rather than an actual defense mechanism.
                          You're correct. I didn't mean to suggest that was universally true. I just remember growing some E.Coli that thrived at 37 growing on 4-flouro tryptophan which should have been toxic (I initially wrote 38 incorrecty. It's been a few years). But the same stuff died at 38 or 39. We were doing forced evolution of bacterial species which was pretty interesting stuff. In the case of our E. Coli that grew on the toxic substrate we later sequenced it to search for adaptive mutations.
                          all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be

                          Obesity is a disease. Yes, a disease where nothing tastes bad...except salads.
                          Trent


                          Good Bad & The Monkey

                            immune response rather than an actual defense mechanism.
                            Yes and No.
                            mikeymike


                              Have fun! And maybe call your doc and ask for Tamiflu NOW.
                              So that's a yes? It's inevitable? I'm not going down without a fight.

                              Runners run


                              1983

                                Yes and No.
                                Thanks for clearing that up! Smile
                                Favorite quote: Stop your crying you little girl! 2011: Mt Washington, Washington Trails, Peaks Island, Pikes Peak.
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