Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 574 times)

flavio80


Intl. correspondent

    Mikkey - Yeah, Rammstein is my favourite band.

    It's funny when you say this to a German, about half of them will facepalm immediately cause they know how silly the lyrics are.

    Just something about their sound calms my mind. 
    By the way, there's something very familiar with Thin Lizzy, even though I had never heard them before.
    Re shoes: Excessive idealism is never good, if the shoes are working for you then they are good for you. Especially with your recent troubles.
    I also got now 2 pairs of shoes with a massive 30mm foam underneath.
    Funny you mention running motivation as I've been questioning mine these last couple of years as well.
    I might end up more like Piwi with a healthier balance between running and other things in life.

     

    Josh - I'm happy to hear the good news about the decrease in symptoms. You probably will have to slow down even further to keep the heart rate lower.

     

    Shoes - I gave the Torin 7 wides another chance today and they performed better. Sole seems to have compressed just a tiny bit. I'm still convinced there might be some sort of spring rocker on the fore foot and it will interfere with my form a few times.

    But they offer that cushy ride when the legs are tired, like today.

    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

    Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

    Tool to generate Strava weekly

    JoshWolf


    Part of TLC

      I know, but it's already hard enough to convince my legs to go that slow. I'd rather run almost LT pace every other day for another week or two and let my body adapt.

       

      Re: Rammstein - I think right now at least half of the Germans would face palm not because of the sometimes irritating lyrics but because of allegations of sexual harassment and rape against two of the members. My wife is a big fan of them  - and of Kraftwerk as well.

      Don't hurry - next AG will start 2026

      DavePNW


         

        Funny you mention running motivation as I've been questioning mine these last couple of years as well.
        I might end up more like Piwi with a healthier balance between running and other things in life.

         

         

         

        My wife would love it if I did that! She thinks my running is excessive, which of course it is. I am a late-onset runner; first marathon in 2012 at age 47, and for a couple years before that ran more normal human amounts. But so far, no interest in cutting back. (Other than maybe slightly lower peak mileage during marathon cycles.) Maybe it helps the motivation that despite my age & history, I’m still shooting for PRs. IDK what to attribute that to other than late adoption of carbon shoes, lol. Funny, people talk about “losing their mojo” or some such thing. My response is always—if you don’t want to run, don’t run, no one’s making you. It’s only frustrating to hear it when I’m injured, and they’re perfectly healthy, and I’ve got the mojo to spare. I really should just quit marathons, that would be the smart thing. A HM is sufficiently challenging, but does not destroy you nearly as much in training or recovery. And you can do more of them, so if you blow one for any reason you don’t need to wait 6 months for redemption. I had such a great day at Chicago last year that I could retire on that. But it also made me want to see if I could do just a little bit better.

        Dave

        Marky_Mark_17


           

          They also cover popular songs because who wants to listen to a cover of a song you've never heard? Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is influential. You still didn't tell me what is so influential or great about the song. "yay it's a popular song." so is Friday by Rebecca Black and I don't see Taylor Swift covering it any time soon. Five Finger Death Punch covered Zombie, and I wouldn't say it was influential. I really like the song, but I wouldn't call it influential. Metallica covered So What by The Anti-Nowhere League. Doesn't make it influential OR popular.

           

           

          No, Bad Wolves covered Zombie.  Five Finger Death Punch have done a number of covers but that ain't one.

           

          Picking two specific examples where artists have covered less well known songs doesn't change the fact that the Beatles material is sufficiently influential it's been covered by thousands of artists, and that continues almost 60 years - 2 generations - later.  Those songs are good enough and memorable enough to be inspiring artists and people that weren't even born, or old enough to appreciate music, when they came out.

           

          How many of today's artists are still going to be played in 60 years time, much less be recognised by a wide range of people?

           

          And that's before we even get into how they pioneered the use of multi-tracking, backmasking, music videos, and were definitely a big driver behind the album being the primary method by which artists released music - although the digital era is kinda changing that one.

           

          You're pushing shit uphill here RP, seriously.

          3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

          10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

          * Net downhill course

          Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

          Up next: Still working on that...

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          Mikkey


          Mmmm Bop

            Teenage Kicks by The Undertones.

             

            No band could cover that song and make it better, plenty have tried and embarrassed themselves. 

            5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

            Marky_Mark_17


              Teenage Kicks by The Undertones.

               

              No band could cover that song and make it better, plenty have tried and embarrassed themselves. 

               

              On the topic of worst covers... there was some pop group that attempted to cover Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Under the Bridge".  I remember that was pretty bad.  I actually can't even remember who the group was now, just that the cover version was terrible.

              3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

              10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

              * Net downhill course

              Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

              Up next: Still working on that...

              "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

              Marky_Mark_17


                Quick drop of the weekly. Coach said it would be a down week... ended up still covering a decent amount of ground, just less / easier workouts I guess.

                 

                Weekly for period: From: 24/07/2023 To 30/07/2023

                <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                in m
                25/07 That run with a stunner of a winter morning 8.77 14.11 00:59:18 06:46 04:12 23
                26/07 That run where I quite enjoyed having the wind push me up the bridge 9.35 15.04 01:04:28 06:54 04:17 189
                27/07 That run with an unfortunate reminder of why cyclists wear helmets 9.39 15.11 00:59:14 06:18 03:55 26
                29/07 That run where the gloves were on 8.33 13.40 00:52:54 06:21 03:57 6
                30/07 That run with a lot of fog and a bit of company 15.60 25.10 01:54:51 07:22 04:35 255

                Totals: Time: 05:50:45 - Statute: 51.44 mi - Metric: 82.76 km

                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                * Net downhill course

                Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                Up next: Still working on that...

                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                Mikkey


                Mmmm Bop

                  Best cover of a song was The Wildhearts version of the intro to Cheers. Brilliant! 

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2qv4xb5kFI

                  5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                  flavio80


                  Intl. correspondent

                    Josh - I had no idea, but it's public knowledge that Till ran his own casting couch on the after parties.
                    And it's exactly because of that I find it highly unlikely he'd spike someone's drink to have them seeing as he had about 20 10s to choose from.
                    But maybe the roadies saw an opportunity, who knows.

                    Anyway, from what I can see there's an ongoing police investigation, so I suppose we're all better off just wait for it to finish before drawing any conclusions, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

                     

                    Dave - Well to be fair one thing that keeps me at running is that I don't have too many other stuff competing for my time.
                    Though I would like to have some boxing classes at some point, that is very low priority.
                    And I certainly don't have many friends striving for my attention at 6am.
                    And I also can't sleep past 7am even if I wanted, to sleeping in would also not be an option.

                     

                    me - Decent week, I must way I'm quite happy to be completing weeks like these at this point.

                     

                    Weekly for period: From: 07/24/2023 To 07/30/2023

                    <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                    in ft
                    07/24 70'E 8.03 12.92 01:10:00 08:43 05:25 509
                    07/25 35'E 4.29 6.90 00:35:00 08:10 05:04 167
                    07/26 20'@10k + 3'E + 10'@10k 8.83 14.21 01:03:01 07:08 04:26 315
                    07/27 80'E + strides 10.19 16.39 01:23:30 08:12 05:06 699
                    07/28 70'E 8.55 13.76 01:10:00 08:11 05:05 328
                    07/29 70'E 8.32 13.38 01:10:00 08:25 05:14 364
                    07/30 2h20 Long Run 17.32 27.87 02:19:57 08:05 05:01 725

                    Totals: Time: 08:51:28 - Statute: 65.53 mi - Metric: 105.44 km

                    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                    Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                    Tool to generate Strava weekly

                    mmerkle


                      Flavio That workout with 30 total minutes at 10k pace sounds rough. Nicely done.

                       

                      Here's a week I'm finally happy with

                       

                      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                      in ft
                      07/24 Warm Up 2.02 3.26 00:17:09 08:29 05:16 39
                      07/24 Tempo 4.00 6.44 00:24:27 06:07 03:48 0
                      07/24 Cool Down with strides 2.03 3.27 00:16:14 08:00 04:58 26
                      07/25 Lunch Run 6.06 9.76 00:49:00 08:05 05:01 266
                      07/25 Treadmill 6.00 9.66 00:49:10 08:12 05:05 0
                      07/26 Easy + 5 X 20 sec strides 7.07 11.37 00:55:51 07:54 04:55 315
                      07/26 Afternoon Row 0.62 1.00 00:05:00 08:04 05:00 0
                      07/26 More treadmill 5.00 8.05 00:42:00 08:24 05:13 0
                      07/27 Treadmill: 20 minutes easy, 5 X (3 minutes I / 3 minutes E), the rest easy. 8.50 13.68 01:07:45 07:58 04:57 0
                      07/27 Afternoon Row 1.55 2.50 00:10:48 06:58 04:19 0
                      07/28 Easy run on the mill 11.00 17.70 01:27:20 07:56 04:56 0
                      07/29 Lunch Run 5.05 8.13 00:40:21 07:59 04:58 236
                      07/30 Finally a Decent Long Run 18.08 29.10 02:11:50 07:18 04:32 850

                      Totals: Time: 09:56:55 - Statute: 77.00 mi - Metric: 123.90 km

                       

                      Note that the rowing miles got counted towards the total, so it was actually 74.5 miles / 120 kilometers of running. I feel forced to conclude that I don't adapt to the heat well. The combination of treadmill miles to avoid the heat and finally having a "low temperature" long run did me wonders. Last race of the summer series this Thursday. It's an 8k with a nasty long hill at the end. The next couple weeks the long runs might pop up in weird places like Mondays. I have some family things with travel going on during the weekends.

                      CalBears


                         

                         

                        Weekly for period: From: 07/24/2023 To 07/30/2023

                        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                        in ft
                        07/26 20'@10k + 3'E + 10'@10k 8.83 14.21 01:03:01 07:08 04:26 315

                        Totals: Time: 08:51:28 - Statute: 65.53 mi - Metric: 105.44 km

                         

                        flavio, question re your run on 07/26 Smile

                         

                        20 minutes + 3 minutes + 10 minutes + 20 minutes + 3 minutes + 10 minutes = 1 hour 6 minutes. Why is your total time run is 1 hour 3 minutes? Just curious where did you cut it? Smile

                        paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                        DavePNW



                          My week, Mon-Sat: blah blah blah.

                          My HM today: holy shit.


                          My previous PR was 1:33:46, which I knew was soft. It was in 2019, and I’ve PR’d every other distance since then. But the planets have just never aligned to run my best half, for a variety of reasons. I was shooting for sub-1:32, and thought if things went well maybe sub-1:31. Official time: 1:28:58. If you told me that beforehand I would’ve laughed in your face. 

                          The race was run on a point-to-point downhill course, which is used for a number of races that people flock to for PRs, BQs, and NYCMQs. It’s unpaved but mostly hard packed gravel. I’ve never raced on it so had no idea how much time it would get me; people have varying results. Also, this was the first half I’ve raced since getting the Vaporflys. And the weather was amazing; it’s been unseasonably cool at night, and the forecast looked like about 53F at the start, which is 6 AM to get it in before it warms up too much. According to GC afterwards, it was in fact 48F. So: cheater course, cheater shoes, cheater weather. But I ran it with my own two legs, so I’m counting it. 

                          My main concern going in was the fact that I’m still getting over a cold which ended up aggravating my asthma. I’ve had a lingering cough and my lungs have been iffy, I wasn’t sure how they would hold up. Also the 6 AM start + 45 min drive + bus from parking to start + 1 mile uphill trail hike from bus dropoff to actual start = 3 AM wakeup. Could not fall asleep last night, thinking about not being able to fall asleep; ended up getting about 3 hours. Fortunately everything came together once the race started. Other than managing the gravel that kept getting in my shoes.

                          Plan was to go out at 7:00 splits which would get sub-1:32. Usually for a half, how I feel at mile 8 is the key indicator of how the day is going to turn out; if I’m still feeling good at 9, I start picking up the pace. Potentially that would get my sub-1:31. I was nailing the 7:00s and was in fact feeling quite good; got down to ~6:45 for 10-11, and ~6:30 for 12-13. But I saw the finish line and knew it would end up short. Came in at 13.0 on the watch; thought about running the extra 0.1 but didn’t. Still, I was totally amazed to see <1:29 on my watch, which would be <1:30 even with an extra 0.1. I never dreamed of <1:30. I was also surprised it was short, since the course is certified. However I went into Strava, clicked “adjust distance,” and it ended up right at 13.1. I think that’s more accurate? The course is on a heavily wooded mountain trail, and GPS tends to get wonky. My watch was ahead of the mile markers, then even, then behind. I’m gonna call the distance legit. Regardless, it was a great day.

                           

                          Weekly for period: From: 07/24/2023 To 07/30/2023

                          <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                          Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                          in ft
                          07/24 Morning Run 7.06 11.37 01:05:23 09:16 05:45 331
                          07/25 Morning Run 9.02 14.51 01:21:56 09:05 05:39 443
                          07/26 6x800m + 3x200m 9.12 14.67 01:16:39 08:24 05:13 164
                          07/27 Lunch Run 7.02 11.30 01:01:29 08:45 05:26 328
                          07/28 Morning Run 6.02 9.69 00:54:21 09:02 05:37 236
                          07/29 Morning Run 4.05 6.52 00:35:54 08:52 05:30 171
                          07/30 Morning Run 0.74 1.18 00:06:51 09:15 05:48 30
                          07/30 Jack & Jill Half Marathon—Huge PR!! 13.11 21.10 01:28:55 06:47 04:13 433
                          07/30 Morning Run 2.00 3.23 00:17:42 08:51 05:29 36

                          Totals: Time: 08:09:10 - Statute: 58.15 mi - Metric: 93.56 km

                          Dave

                          CalBears


                            Wow Dave! Huge congrats - you are of my age and you continue setting PRs!!! It's inspiring! I am going for a run right now because I am getting excited with your achievement! Next - marathon PR for sure!

                            paces PRs - 5K - 5:48  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                            SteveChCh


                            Hot Weather Complainer

                              Dave - Yes!!  Even if the course is what your watch says it is, that's a sub 1:30 but given the tree cover it's likely your GPS is wrong.  Great run, I hope you're celebrating appropriately.

                               

                              mmerkle - You should be happy with that week, really impressive.

                               

                              Flavio - Geez there's some good training going on here.  Agree with Mike, that 30 minutes at 10km pace even with a short rest is a big workout.

                               

                              Mark - Given these races are probably beating up your legs a bit, a down week is a very good idea.

                               

                              me - Solid enough week with some workouts at mid Zone 3 and sub threshold after the tough LT test last week, and before the 5km this week.  Happy with how comfortable I felt at just below my goal half marathon pace for 40 minutes.  I've been carrying a few niggles after that LT run, sore hammy and calf at times but not getting worse.  Now into race week where I'm having a real crack at a PR+ (Keen please update my goal to 18:29).  Hagley Park has been under water with the heavy rain of the last week.  I hope it's good to go by Saturday, and the forecast is for no rain.  It may just be a bit slippery like it was for the LT test.

                               

                              Weekly for period: From: 24/07/2023 To 30/07/2023

                              <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                              Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                              in m
                              24/07 Warm up 0.34 0.55 00:03:05 09:04 05:36 0
                              24/07 Easy med long 9.01 14.50 01:15:25 08:22 05:12 28
                              26/07 Warm up 0.32 0.52 00:03:13 10:03 06:11 0
                              26/07 40 mins Z3 11.36 18.29 01:30:05 07:56 04:56 12
                              27/07 Recovery 7.91 12.73 01:15:08 09:30 05:54 23
                              28/07 Warm up 0.34 0.54 00:03:03 08:58 05:39 0
                              28/07 Easy hour 7.37 11.86 01:02:17 08:27 05:15 25
                              29/07 Warm up 0.31 0.50 00:03:09 10:10 06:18 0
                              29/07 2 x 20 mins Z4 11.88 19.12 01:31:39 07:43 04:48 37
                              30/07 Warm up 0.33 0.53 00:03:07 09:27 05:53 2
                              30/07 Easy med long 10.88 17.50 01:30:27 08:19 05:10 148

                              Totals: Time: 08:20:38 - Statute: 60.06 mi - Metric: 96.64 km

                              5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                               

                              2024 Races:

                              Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                              Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                              Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                              Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                              darkwave


                              Mother of Cats

                                 

                                 

                                dw I take it Kraftwerk ocasionally comes around The DC / Baltimore area?

                                 

                                Yup - about every 3-4 years, it seems.  I last saw them at the Anthem last year.

                                 

                                As for covering well known songs versus underground songs - IME nearly all serious musicians are also music geeks.  And so, when they get a chance, they enjoy doing covers of tracks that mean a lot to them but may not be well known, as a way of drawing light to those tracks and those artists (I think Nirvana and Meat Puppets falls into that category).

                                 

                                In the opposite corner, there's the always hilariously tragic episodes of bands being one-hit wonders, with their one hit being a cover of a popular song (see Orgy's cover of New Order's "Blue Monday").

                                 

                                As for the Beatles - since my partner and I have been arguing over this one at home (he thinks the Beatles are the most influential band ever; as you already know, I think Kraftwerk is).  I think the Beatles were excellent song crafters.  Some of the best ever.  You can take a song of theirs, and reimagine it in a completely different genre, and it still works.  But I also think that song crafting is not the same as ground breaking.  The Beatles were better at the former; Kraftwerk did much more of the latter.

                                 

                                MArky_Mark- enjoy the rest week!

                                 

                                Flavio - it is good to see you putting up weeks like that.

                                 

                                Merkle - parts of this week really did suck, heatwise, so I don't think you made bad choices at all.

                                 

                                Dave - congratulations on the great race!  I'd defintiely be happy with that one.  Is the course certified, per chance?  That would put an end to the questions/calculations.

                                 

                                Steve- it's all looking very good!.

                                 

                                Andy TN- I'm coming in late on the salt conversation, but I've found Osmo's preload hydration very helpful before workouts.  Then I'll take a lemonade rocktane during workouts.

                                Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                                 

                                And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.