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hog4life's Huntsville Half RR, Redemption From 2 Weeks Ago (Read 73 times)

    25th Annual Huntsville Half Marathon

    Nov 9, 2013

    Huntsville, AL



    Time - 1:56:05

    Pace - 8:52

    OA – 227/842

    AG – 17/63



    The Huntsville Half(HH), was my debut half back in 2011. This is a fairly flat, fast, out and back course that runs through some neighborhoods, with an out and back section on a greenway (see pic below). I had been running for a few years, did a few 5ks, 10k’s, and a 15k, and thought I was ready to move up to the longer distances. I didn’t know much back then, and still don't, but found a runner’s forum and started reading. I was very intimidated at first, because everyone was running way more than I could phantom. At any rate, I did this race coming off a very weak training plan, along with some injuries, but still wanted a sub 2, and I finished in 2:08:20.


    This Half was my 6th race at this distance, and the 2nd in 2 weeks time. The race from 2 weeks ago sucked, I had some foot/shoe/sock issues, PF nags, started way too fast, accompanied with some stomach cramps. My goal for today’s race, which was a loose one, was to do better than 2 weeks ago of 2:03:38, definitely beat my time from 2 years ago, complete 20 miles for the day if possible, but this all depended how my foot felt. I am also training for my first marathon in December, and today's plan called for 20 miles, hence the goal of 20. I really wanted to target about a 9:10-9:20 pace, which would be just a little faster than my MP of 9:33 m/m (more on this later). I did a 3.1 mile WU at a 9:45 pace, my foot felt well, so I knew that I would at least end up with 16 miles for the day.


    I have a friend that was also running this race(and the Dec marathon), and his goals are fairly close to mine. We started the race together, and stayed together through 9.5 miles. The entire 9.5 miles we kept talking about how fast we started, and that we should slow it down, Well, you know how that goes! This is one discipline that I am trying very hard to work on. Here are my splits


    Mile 1 – 8:40 (need to slow it down)

    Mile 2 – 8:29  ( that’s faster, not slower!)

    Mile 3 – 8:28 ( are you kidding?)

    Mile 4 – 8:44 ( dat betta )

    Mile 5 – 8:35

    Mile 6 – 8:32 (what the hell, slow down)

    Mile 7 – 8:44

    Mile 8 – 8:51

    Mile 9 – 8:57 (looky here, this is good)

    Mile 10 – 9:07 (my friend faded here)

    Mile 11 – 9:01

    Mile 12 – 9:39 (feeling like I got control here, but slowed a little too much)

    Mile 13 – 8:49 (might as well push to the finish)

    Final .1 – 7:17 (passed a bunch of folks in the last ½ mile)



    1. Once again, I started too fast. I’m glad the marathon will have pacers!
    2. Any opinions on my marathon pace of 9:33 for a 4:10 finish are welcomed . McMillian has me anywhere between 3:55 using my 1:51 half PR, and 4:20 using my half time of 2:03 from 2 weeks ago.
    3. I did another 3.1 miles after the race at a 12:39 pace. This was a bit slower because I walked some, when I made it to my turn around, there was a lady sitting down, so I went to check on her. She was feeling sick and dizzy, so I walked with her for a bit to make sure she was ok.
    4.  I think I put too many races into this marathon cycle, I’m not sure if it helped or hurt, but there will be no more races, except for maybe a Thanksgiving day Turkey Trot. And this will be mostly to help my running club.
    5.  First place winner had a time of 1:06:36 for some sort of state record, and the second place finisher was 1:14:59. Small gap, hehe!
    6. Here’s a pic or 2


    I am #901


    Thanks for reading,


    Jack K.

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      Way to go, hog!! You are setting yourself up nicely for your marathon. I'm glad your foot cooperated with you and that is a nice looking shirt and hat. Smile

      Bad Ass

        Great job!


        As to the GMP, I would be a bit more conservative than McMillan, as I think his paces are a bit too aggressive for the marathon.  Good luck!



        "The most powerful weapon on earth is the human soul on fire."

        It's always fucking hot in Miami! (except for 3 days of the year)


          Nice job. Things are shaping up nicely for your marathon Smile




          delicate flower

            Way to go, Mitch!  Great job getting some HM revenge!  I've got the same lack of discipline and tend to go out too fast in my HM's.  *shrug*


            Nice swag.  You got a hat?  More events need to do this!



              Great job!  That's an awesome dose of revenge. Congratulations!


              As for your marathon plans, here's what I can offer up. I think we've been running around the same amount of time with about the same type of training.   After stalking your race results Big grin I see you are 4 years older than me.   I ran my HM PR in April and it was 1:57:49 and I haven't run one since. My October marathon was 4:09:24 and I think it would have been a couple of minutes faster if I had paced properly. All of this points to you being able to go sub 4:10. The only thing I've read about that might be different is that supposedly old ladies like me have better endurance than men. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've read.


              Pacing properly is going to be key, but I think you can do it If you stick with the pacer. I definitely am rooting for you!


              Team TJ

                Nice job, Mitch!  Looking forward to the day we race together.

                Running for TJ because he can't.


                on my way to badass

                  Very nice!

                  Still waiting for the perfect race picture. 5K PR-33:52 , 10K PR 1:11:16, First HM 2:42:28


                  Barking Mad To Run

                    Glad your foot behaved itself, hope you can get it to behave for your marathon too.


                    Nice pics, that second pic makes the event look very 'rural", but scenic with the water alongside you.


                    Congrats on your half!

                    "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Theodore Roosevelt

                    Just B.S.

                      Awesome job and great recovery in  just 2 weeks! Congrats and good luck on your full!



                        Just a word of caution regarding pacers; they can ruin months of training by the 10k point of your marathon, so be prepared to run your own race.


                        Hopefully you can give your hoof a little time off after such a hectic period of late, but things are looking good for you!


                          Great job, Mitch! I think you have set yourself up for a good showing at the marathon. I'll also second what LRB said, don't fully trust the pacer. I will usually start with a pace group for the first few miles and then run my own race. The last time I ran with a pace group, if I would have stayed with them I would have crashed and burned. They were running the hills harder then I wanted to so I backed off. I ended up passing them in the last mile of the race. Have a plan going into the race and stick with it, I have no doubt you'll do great. Thanks for sharing the RR and pics.




                          Smaller By The Day

                            Mitch - You definitely blew your goal out of the water.  It sounds like your foot is more of a limiting factor than you fitness.  I know you schedule can be hectic, but make sure you take as much as your free time as possible and treat it.  I've been doing a full evaluation on my own feet and realized that my work boots are terrible.  I picked up some gel insoles, but may end up looking at a new pair.  Congrats on another great race, and some really cool swag.


                            Weight 100 pounds lost

                            5K 31:02 Sept. 2012 / 23:36 Sept. 2013 (Same Course)

                            10K 48:59 April 2013

                            HM 2:03:56 Nov. 2012 / 1:46:50 March 2013

                            MARATHON 3:57:33 Nov. 2013

                              Jack, Thanks, I sure hope you are right about the set up.


                              Damaris, I've heard this before about McMillian, I have even put in my slowest half time of 2:08, that why I've got such a range.


                              Traci, thanks, I hope you're right too. Are you goung to help me across the finish line? ha


                              Phil, they give a lot of hats here in the south, gotta keep the sun off of us.


                              WIP11, thanks for the advice, sounds reasonable to me.


                              Robert, thanks, we will meet soon.


                              Stone, Thanks.


                              Scotty, thanks, it was a little rural out on the greenway, but other than that, lots of houses.


                              Beth, thank you, it amazes me how a run can be so different. I think I had some sleep and diet differences that helped.


                              LRB, how do you mean so? Going out too fast to bank time? I will definitely be talking with them at the expo, heck, I probably know most of them.


                              Eric, thanks, too fast I know. I my pace group says they are going to bank time, then I will drop to the next slower pace.


                              Awood, I definitely need new boots, wearing these things for 12 hour days sucks.


                                Mitch, these are some great pictures you've included.  I'm so glad you learned from your last HM.  Congratulations on this awesome time.  You actually did a lot better with pacing this time.  I just know you're going to rock that marathon if you can get a handle on the pacing.  So nice of you to walk with that woman after the race.  Its wonderful how runners look out for each other.


                                "We do not become the people who this world needs simply by turning our backs on anyone we don’t like, trust, or deem healthy enough to be in our presence. "  ---- Shasta Nelson