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Finding Your Distance (Read 64 times)


Uh oh... now what?

    Poorly worded... revising

    XtremeTaper


      Sure, I believe certain people are built/wired to run certain distances better than others. Look at sprinters vs. distance runners at the elite level. Even 1500m to 10k. A big difference.  Some elite runners move up successfully while others do not. Is it training or genetics or some of both?

       

      Personally I started somewhat late in life to this running thing but even so I always seemed to perform better at half/marathon+ distances then the 5K-10k. Was it my training? Probably, but I can tell you I'd do my intervals and struggled to hit lap splits that others I knew could hit who were in my time range or even slower in the marathon. I always felt something was physically holding me back at high speeds on the track. Probably my V02max.

       

      As for the perfect distance for me, there probably is and never will be one. To say I'm competitive in races would be a joke. Sure, I might have some local AG awards, finished second a time or two at small races, but generally I fell in a certain place on the bell curve in terms of percentage placing at a "normal" sized event. The place on the bell curve is shifting to the right these days as well.

       

      I think when you look at 100 mile runners determining what a quality performance is and whether someone has just trained to finish is a bit judgmental. Sure, there are probably many out there who are not prepared, ready, whatever. I am pretty inexperienced at the 100 mile distance and maybe because I do consider it important to be trained or at least somewhat ready I don't sign up for them very often. A lot of things can go wrong in the 100 mile distance that are not a factor in a 50k or 50miler. You can get by with a few errors in those distances, in the 100 not so much. My last 100, time wise I might have fell into the unprepared category, but had the race ended at 50 miles or 100k it would have been much different story. Mistakes were made earlier in the day that led to issues the next morning. Perhaps that was being unprepared I suppose.

       

      In any case, you can take the argument about runners just being prepared to finish down to the 50m, 50k, and even the marathon these days. It's not just the 100 that it happens. More people running distances. The bell curve shifts. Averages change.

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      NorthernHarrier


        Never really thought of myself as anything more than "just a runner". My body type says I should have been a hockey player so maybe the topic should be "finding your sport". In any event most of us do the best we can balancing work, family, life, and other recreational interest knowing we will never make the Olympics. We tend to focus on the race distances we enjoy or have some success at but how do you really know what may be your optimum distance? To further that most of us take a few years to really climb  that mountain (our personal peak) and then if we're lucky we can stay up there for 6-7 years before we start descending.  Once you're up there not a lot of time to really experiment before the descent. If I would have just focused better I know I could have been....

         

        Of course now that I'm old, fat, and crippled I'm "just a plodder".   Probably could have made money at golf. I want a redo.

        Sandy-2


          I think it's going to be a combination of innate talent (genetics, fast vs slow twitch, build) and inclination.  

          I agree with this.  Through experimentation and experience sooner or later you'll figure out what you are good at and what you like, they may or may not be the same.

           

          With the usual mid-pack disclaimer, I'd say that I seem to do a little better at 100s than marathons or 50k, but that is based on my typical position among the field and compared to some of my friends. Then again less people do 100s so that could account for things as well. Like others have said, I tend to like the challenge of training and finishing the longer distances. I should also say that for me training is more a matter of putting in miles and not a lot of extra stuff like intervals, hills, strength sessions. I do sprinkle them in sometimes, but I tend to just run, which for me is what it's all about, time on the trails and even roads.

           

          I guess that the "challenge aspect" is also why a lot of emphasis is placed on the 100 mile distance.

           

          Good topic lace_up, thanks.

          tbd.


          Occasional Runner

            I agree with this.  Through experimentation and experience sooner or later you'll figure out what you are good at and what you like, they may or may not be the same.

             

             

            This is a good point. After winning the ATY 48 hour race, I began to wonder if I had a hidden talent for timed races. I actually worried about it a little bit because I don't really like timed races. It wasn't the race I didn't like as much as the culture or "feel" of that type of event. I decided to explore that possibility and I signed up for a couple of timed races for 2014. If I were to learn that I'm truly talented in that world, I think I would still focus on trail 100's because that's what makes me the happiest.

            TrailProf


            Le professeur de trail

              If you are talking about your ideal distance and you use what place you finished (i.e. I finished 4th yea!!), it really is tough to judge accurately dependent on the number of entrants. For example, I once finished 11th place in a trail 25k.  I was very happy about it.  "Almost cracked the top 10", I said.  But there were only 28 runners in the race so it's relative.  Finishing place probably shouldn't be as important as comparisons to your own PRs, how much you had left in the tank, did you run a smart race, possibly ratio of run to walk (depending on the course), negative splits, being able to follow your race plan, being able to adapt when the race plan goes awry, the all important "am I happy with how I ran/raced?", etc.  Many variables...

               

              Interesting nonetheless.

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              Occasional Runner

                If you are talking about your ideal distance and you use what place you finished (i.e. I finished 4th yea!!), it really is tough to judge accurately dependent on the number of entrants.

                 

                My intent is to talk about personal performance, which can only be measured by the runner, however that runners defines a successful run.

                FSocks


                KillJoyFuckStick

                  I think it's going to be a combination of innate talent (genetics, fast vs slow twitch, build) and inclination.  If you don't really enjoy running long, you're not going to run long; if you don't like doing intervals you're probably not going to be a 5K specialist.  (But I expect both sides of the equation affect each other, that is, if you're more slow twitch you're going to avoid intervals, self-fulfilling prophecy etc.)

                   

                  +1 to all of this.

                   

                  We all tend to lean towards our strengths and preferences.

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                  Watoni


                    Great topic, Kelly. I have been slammed at work but have been thinking about this a lot.

                     

                    So far, I think I am someone who can excel more at 50k/50-mile than 100 mile runs. The main reason is that I do not have enough depth of training and experience to excel at 100-milers. That being said, running Leadville was a highlight for me, and much more gratifying than placing 8th and 1st in my age group at the North Face Endurance Challenge 50k in 2012, so I am hoping to do more.

                     

                    I am also hoping that my running will be like my cycling in that I will get better at longer distances as I get more experience.During the Cent Cols Challenge in the Pyrenees this September I was one of the few who made every climb -- many younger, faster cyclists got injured or just had enough ...

                     

                    Running is harder to fake, though, so I am resigned to being mediocre (even adjusted for my "ability") at both running and cycling

                    mtwarden


                    running under the BigSky

                      Looking at field placement, I have had by best successes running shorter trail races (5k,10 mi, 1/2 marathon).  This is probably the distance that my training has allowed me to succeed in.  I don't feel that I've ever really been in 50k shape and I certainly wasn't in 50 mi shape when I ran Stone Mill.  I don't think the average runner really puts in the work to find out if their best distance is something longer than a marathon...it takes a pretty big resume to really know what your optimum distance is.

                       

                      that's pretty accurate for me; my typical training usually has me in pretty decent shape for 13-20 mile races, I've run four 50k's but I don't think it was necessarily that it wasn't "my distance"- simply training that fell short

                       

                      it could be "my distance" is 100 miles, but I'll likely never find Big grin

                       

                       

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                      FTYC


                      Faster Than Your Couch!

                        Interesting topic, and many good points.

                         

                        For me, I've always been the endurance beast, and never the speedgoat. I discovered this already in middle school, and despite some training effort in my early 20's, it has always stayed that way.

                        I also don't like extremely hard workouts which are required for very short distances up to 5k, like 800m (which I personally think is the most difficult distance of all). I am not the "strength" type, but more the "keeps going" type.

                        I do best at long distances, like 50M and 100M. I've run a few good HM's, never a marathon, but I definitely do better the longer the course is. I have noticed that my running pace doesn't slow down as much as many other runners in the second half of a race, and I usually make up quite a few spots in the later phases.

                         

                        In my first (and so far only) 100-miler, I did not know what to expect after mile 80, and it started to feel harder, so I played it safe and did not push it, rather, I walked a lot. In hindsight, I probably would have done just fine still running more and walking less on those last 20 miles. Still, I passed more runners late in that race than I was passed by.

                         

                        I think some of the runners who are attracted to 100-milers take it the same way as they take a HM, or a marathon, thinking that despite being significantly undertrained, they can just tough it out. While this may work in a marathon, setting you back a few hours, but still allowing you to finish, it does not work in a 100-miler. The long races are there to put to the test how much and how well you have trained, while still leaving a lot of room for uncertainties, like daily variations, weather, and course conditions. So running the long ultras is a lot about training, and about the effort which is put in before, not at, the race itself. It takes time and commitment to get ready for 100 miles, in lieu of a body that can tolerate the stress and strain of all that training load.

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                          I thought about responding to this one awhile ago, but wasn't sure how to respond....


                          I just looked up my Athlinks profile which has every race I've ever run, and the new site now color codes your times/places from green to red showing how "well" you did in each race, and includes your placing in AG, gender, and overall.

                           

                          I overwhelmingly perform better in shorter distances, from 5k to the half marathon. In fact, as the distance grows longer, my scores turn from green to red meaning I place further and further back in the pack as the distance grows.

                           

                          That certainly doesn't mean I enjoy shorter distances more. In fact, I really don't think I enjoy the half marathon distance at all. I will take mid to back of the pack in a marathon or ultra over a higher place in a half any day.

                           

                          Just an interesting observation.


                          Occasional Runner

                            What you're good at now, or what you enjoy now, may not be the same in later years. You're still young and developing your skill set. I think we all fall into a role that is natural for us at some point, though.

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                            Sue

                              I want to do a 50 miler and maybe a 100 some day....or at least that is what I say.  My running partner wants to do a 50 miler next year.  So this weekend when I finsihed my 20 miler I was happy to be done.  I asked my partner; do you really want to run 30 more miles?!  If we were doing a 50K we would still have 11 more miles which is doable but 30 seem undoable.  I like 20 miles.  I wish they had more 20 mile races.

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                                I want to do a 50 miler and maybe a 100 some day....or at least that is what I say.  My running partner wants to do a 50 miler next year.  So this weekend when I finsihed my 20 miler I was happy to be done.  I asked my partner; do you really want to run 30 more miles?!  If we were doing a 50K we would still have 11 more miles which is doable but 30 seem undoable.  I like 20 miles.  I wish they had more 20 mile races.

                                 

                                I agree. I would love a 20 mile trail run.

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