marathon cut off times need to change to increase good health (Read 423 times)

JMac11


Benevolent Leader

    Someone brought this whole shag/sag thing to her attention on Twitter, but she still things it's about shagging baseballs. I feel like someone told her this as a story (I've never heard it called anything besides the slow bus so I initially believed it!) and she just went with it instead of doing the research. Just googling shag wagon for running comes up with nothing; sag wagon has a ton of links. Seems pretty obvious.

     

    I sent her a friendly note on the topic. I wonder if this will get a NYT correction at some point. EVERYONE HOLD YOUR BREATH.

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    bhearn


      At Spartathlon the sag wagon is called the Death Bus. And at Burning Man, the shag bus is called the Orgy Bus.

        If the manfromnantucket were a race director, I have a feeling a shag bus would be one of the amenities.

         

         

        I have heard of a shag wagon, which serves a very different purpose than a sag bus.

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        T Hound


        Slower but happier

               ...Vol State it’s called the “meat wagon” or so I’m told.

           

          At Spartathlon the sag wagon is called the Death Bus. And at Burning Man, the shag bus is called the Orgy Bus.

           

          2019 Races:  John Dick Memorial 50K, WI, 6:52.  Potawatomi 50 mile IL 4/5, 13:14

          Earth Day 50k, 4/20, IL, Episode 4- 5:49:54 (hey I worked for those 6 sec!). Kettle Morraine 100 mile 6/1 29+hrs

           

          T Hound


          Slower but happier

             Just chalk it up to fake news.  Sag stands for “support and gear”  Shag wagon for running would be a whole different kind of sport.  Supporting arguments with a reference to “shagging balls” well what that means depends on context.  (Can’t help but hear Austin Powers “yeah baby” in my ear when writing this)

             

            Maybe go undercover infiltrate the “shag wagon culture” and write up a piece.  That would be something worth reading...

             

            Someone brought this whole shag/sag thing to her attention on Twitter, but she still things it's about shagging baseballs. I feel like someone told her this as a story (I've never heard it called anything besides the slow bus so I initially believed it!) and she just went with it instead of doing the research. Just googling shag wagon for running comes up with nothing; sag wagon has a ton of links. Seems pretty obvious.

             

            I sent her a friendly note on the topic. I wonder if this will get a NYT correction at some point. EVERYONE HOLD YOUR BREATH.

             

            2019 Races:  John Dick Memorial 50K, WI, 6:52.  Potawatomi 50 mile IL 4/5, 13:14

            Earth Day 50k, 4/20, IL, Episode 4- 5:49:54 (hey I worked for those 6 sec!). Kettle Morraine 100 mile 6/1 29+hrs

             

            CanadianMeg


            Cirque du Sore Legs 2019

              https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/02/london-marathon-runners-harassed-to-speed-up

               

              So due to the delay at the start, was this pacers group getting screwed by the time limits to close the roads coming due? Being asked to move off the road sounds like they ran out of time.

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              Labrat

                 

                So due to the delay at the start, was this pacers group getting screwed by the time limits to close the roads coming due? Being asked to move off the road sounds like they ran out of time.

                 

                The clean-up crew was ahead of their schedule. Guess they just wanted to be done with the job.

                 

                This year was the first year that the London marathon specifically requested pacers for the slower times, and its pretty awful how the race organization has treated them.

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                HM 1:33:48 (Vdot 48.6) 11/11/17

                FM 4:13:43 (Vdot 35.4) 3/4/18

                 


                Elite Jogger

                  Having 7:30 pacers is just beyond ridiculous....you aren’t even running at that pace.

                  5k - 17:53 (2019)   10k - 37:53 (2018)   Half - 1:23:18 (2019)   Full - 2:50:43 (2019)

                    Having 7:30 pacers is just beyond ridiculous....you aren’t even running at that pace.

                     

                    You're correct, these days I'm actually passed out at that pace.

                    Brilliant


                       

                      This year was the first year that the London marathon specifically requested pacers for the slower times, and its pretty awful how the race organization has treated them.

                       

                      Having 7:30 pacers is just beyond ridiculous....you aren’t even running at that pace.

                      Both of these statements can be true.  I agree that marathons shouldn't have 7:30 pacers.  But once they provided a 7:30 pacer, the race organizers should have treated those participants the same as the runners.

                      runnerclay


                      Consistently Slow

                        The 2:20:00  marathoner is probably thinking the same thing about you needing a 2:50 pacer.

                        Having 7:30 pacers is just beyond ridiculous....you aren’t even running at that pace.

                        Run until the trail runs out.

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                        runnerclay


                        Consistently Slow

                          Physically it is not harder but mentally is total exhausting. My BQ time was much easier than my 8 hour finish in Utah. The high was 90F with absolutely  no shade on paved roads.

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                          Having been at both ends of this range, sub-3:00 and over 6:00 over a 50 year running career, I do not agree with this statement.  Certainly the slower runners work longer, but at a much less intense effort, so it is not harder.

                          Run until the trail runs out.

                           SCHEDULE 2016--

                           The pain that hurts the worse is the imagined pain. One of the most difficult arts of racing is learning to ignore the imagined pain and just live with the present pain (which is always bearable.) - Jeff

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                          JMac11


                          Benevolent Leader

                            The 2:20:00  marathoner is probably thinking the same thing about you needing a 2:50 pacer.

                             

                            They're not.

                            5K: 16:51 (8/19)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:16:21 (3/19)  |  FM: 2:44:43 (4/19) 

                             

                            Next Race: Suffolk County Half Marathon (10/27/19)


                            Elite Jogger

                              The 2:20:00  marathoner is probably thinking the same thing about you needing a 2:50 pacer.

                               

                              Yeah whatever buddy. 👍

                              5k - 17:53 (2019)   10k - 37:53 (2018)   Half - 1:23:18 (2019)   Full - 2:50:43 (2019)