2019 Sub 3 hour marathon thread (Read 674 times)

    Anyone follow the race of the decade bracket on LRC? I think Rudisha's 800m WR/2012 Olympic win is a fitting winner. I've watched that race countless times and always get chills; it was truly a majestic run. I was happy to see Jager's near sub 8 steeplechase from 2015 was up there. That race was incredible; too bad he has never gotten back to that form since.

     

    Thanks for posting the tracking info for your race Weather. I think you should target sub 2:36 or at minimum beating JMac's PR.

    2:52:16 (2018)

    weatherboy80


      Thanks JT!  Certainly will be gunning for 2:3x based on how everything looks.  As for JMac’s time we shall see as he even exceeded my expectations going in and those splits were dynamite!  Once I get past that first weird mile or so plan will be to settle into whatever M effort feels right.  Right now the wind on the back half of the race is probably my biggest concern hence why I would love to be able to have a pack of folks to run with.

       

      EDIT: Current forecast now calls for about a 15-20 mph headwind for about half the race 😕 Although I love the logistics of these smaller races pacing at my ability level means things can and will get pretty isolated at times.  Somewhere like CIM or Boston that is no problem as there are many groups to tuck into at various times.  Therefore, since this is an out and back course what kind of pacing strategy would you advise with a decent tailwind for many of the first half miles and then a stiff headwind for the back half?  Do I try to pick up a few seconds with the tailwind and just bite the bullet with the headwind for the later miles?  With the marathon that makes it tough to do specially for those last 4-6 miles!

       

      Anyways, Happy New Year everyone!

      5K: 16:15 (3/20)  |  10K: 33:40 (4/20)  |  HM: 1:15:53 (12/19)  |  FM: 2:40:30 (1/20)

      JMac11


      Taper Czar

        Weather - that’s the awkward range where if it’s actually closer to 10 mph, you’ll be okay, but if it’s 20 mph, it’s going to have a significant impact on the pacing.

         

        Assuming it’s the higher end, you just have to go with the flow. The bad thing about what you’re going to experience is that the tailwind is first. Not only is that difficult because you have to face the headwind when you’re most tired, but more importantly, it’s going to be hard to judge what marathon pace should feel like. It’s easy to see your pace start creeping down around mile 3-5 and think “oh that’s just because of the tailwind” but don’t let it impact you too much. At those winds, I would say you should expect maybe a 5s per mile gain in the first half. So I would say running in the 5:50 to 5:55 range is okay on the way out. On the way back, it’s going to be a complete grind, but hopefully you can hold something in the 6:0X range for the final 10K.

        5K: 16:51 (8/19)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

        Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

        cinnamon girl


          Weather - sounds like you need to decide if you're going into it as a race, or if you want a time trial (fast time). If you want the latter - then hold off and run on a different day - Louisiana?

          JMac11


          Taper Czar

            On another note - Brew, we’re waiting on that new thread 

            5K: 16:51 (8/19)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

             

            Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

            Brewing Runner


            3:56 marathoner at heart

              On another note - Brew, we’re waiting on that new thread 

               

              Sheesh! Kids these days...no patience. Don’t injure yourself with that sprint to check the forum. 

               

               

              EDIT: Created. Fully plagiarized without citing my reference. It will be obvious. I didn't want to make it too "colorful" and scare people off with my "real" self. I'll have to save that for next week.

              1 mile: 5:38 (September 2018)

              5K: 20:23 (March 2018)

              10K: 42:11 (May 2018)

              Half: 1:29* (2019 CIM first half)

              Marathon 2:59* (2019 CIM)

              Annual Miles 2,121 miles

              *CIM is a NET downhill course and the weather is unpredictable.

               

              2020 Goal: Short Distance PRs so people won't make fun of me. 

              weatherboy80


                JMac & Cinnamon:  Nope this is a race pure and simple.  Idea is to just go out and see what I can do on race day.  Plus in running, rarely do we EVER get conditions that are forecast  to be perfect.  My hope is that there are a few guys out there that wanna run somewhere around my pace range.  Otherwise maybe the trees and other objects might block some of the stronger wind gusts as well (I've never run this course, but imagine parts are pretty sheltered).  Furthermore, perhaps if we get more of a westerly component it could act as more of a cross wind along portions of the last 10-12 miles so lots of variables still at play.  At least it won't be 70+ degrees LOL

                5K: 16:15 (3/20)  |  10K: 33:40 (4/20)  |  HM: 1:15:53 (12/19)  |  FM: 2:40:30 (1/20)

                Andres1045


                  Weatherboy - Don't talk yourself out of a great race. According to NOAA, it looks like the forecast is sub 10mph wind, with gusts barely getting to 12. And isn't that typical for 24 hours following a cold front? At least it is here. Just remind yourself that you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better off dealing with some wind (whatever it turns out to be) over temps in the 70s with high humidity.

                   

                  As for the clothes, DW is right on, in my opinion--be ready to shed stuff. Looks like it will remain in the 40s, so shorts seems like a no brainer. I'd still go with singlet, but short sleeve t-shirt would probably be fine (it doesn't look like it'll warm too much). A cap seems to keep me extremely warm, to the point that I've never run more than a mile in a race with one. I'd get a cheap one you don't mind tossing. In those temps, I'm also always more than comfortable wearing the thin $1 Target cotton gloves that you don't mind tossing when the sun comes out.

                   

                  Crush it!!!

                  Upcoming races: Madrid (half) April 2020

                  weatherboy80


                    Thanks Andres!!  Nope no excuses it's time to go - well after a few days of some much needed sleep anyways Wink

                     

                    From what I can gather from the latest point forecast from the NWS yes yesterday they were calling for gusts in the 20 mph and they have come down ever so  slightly to the 11-13 mph range instead Smile  Plan is to have shorts, a singlet, arm sleeves, and maybe one throw away shirt on top to discard after a few miles.  Will plan on some thin gloves and a disposable hat on top as well.

                    5K: 16:15 (3/20)  |  10K: 33:40 (4/20)  |  HM: 1:15:53 (12/19)  |  FM: 2:40:30 (1/20)

                    cinnamon girl


                      JMac & Cinnamon:  Nope this is a race pure and simple. 

                       

                      Ok Cool !! 👍

                        For anyone not aware, the 2020 thread is up and running...the dishes are officially done here.

                        2:52:16 (2018)

                        Brewing Runner


                        3:56 marathoner at heart

                           

                          The closest shot I had was in 2013 when I was 5th OA and ran 2:55 and the winner ran 2:40. But it got more competitive after that - I should check, but I think to win any marathon around here I should run something around 2:30 - which would be a "real macho" thing for me.  Maybe if I pick something around the country? But there are so many scavengers in this environment of competitiveness.

                           

                          Yes, and I knew you didn't run 2:51 in NYC 

                           

                          Quote because modified 1/14/2020. I'm watching you. 

                          1 mile: 5:38 (September 2018)

                          5K: 20:23 (March 2018)

                          10K: 42:11 (May 2018)

                          Half: 1:29* (2019 CIM first half)

                          Marathon 2:59* (2019 CIM)

                          Annual Miles 2,121 miles

                          *CIM is a NET downhill course and the weather is unpredictable.

                           

                          2020 Goal: Short Distance PRs so people won't make fun of me. 

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                              dpschumacher


                              Making a comeback

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                                2019 Goal: Run every day Goal: Get to 165 lbs Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                                2020 Goals:

                                5k:16:30

                                HM: 1:18:00

                                Marathon: 2:45:00

                                New 2020 Goal: Actually run a race, any race, just run a real legit race. **Eye Twitching**