Heart rate question (Read 1806 times)

sport jester


Biomimeticist

    The only way to control your heart rate and keep it under a set level if that's your goal is a focus on improving your walking/running skills.

     

    And unfortunately, the mid and forefoot running promoted by many coaches is documented to not only slow you down, but artificially increase your heart rate.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16195026

     

    You'll have to take a different training direction if controlling your heart rate is your goal.

    Experts said the world is flat

    Experts said that man would never fly

    Experts said we'd never go to the moon

     

    Name me one of those "experts"...

     

    History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


    Prince of Fatness

      Semi-retired.

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      CPT Curmudgeon

        The only way to control your heart rate and keep it under a set level if that's your goal is a focus on improving your walking/running skills.

         

        And unfortunately, the mid and forefoot running promoted by many coaches is documented to not only slow you down, but artificially increase your heart rate.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16195026

         

        You'll have to take a different training direction if controlling your heart rate is your goal.

         

         

        None of what you just said is actually related to the OP's intent.

        sport jester


        Biomimeticist

          Of course it is, if his goal is to lower his heart rate to the levels he believes to be his limit, then improving walking/running economy is the only way he can do it. And following a mid and forefoot landing exponentially increases energy expenditure per step. That's called biology.

          Experts said the world is flat

          Experts said that man would never fly

          Experts said we'd never go to the moon

           

          Name me one of those "experts"...

           

          History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

          Scout7


          CPT Curmudgeon

            Of course it is, if his goal is to lower his heart rate to the levels he believes to be his limit, then improving walking/running economy is the only way he can do it. And following a mid and forefoot landing exponentially increases energy expenditure per step. That's called biology.

             

             

            His actual goal has nothing to do with heart rate.  He was asking if there was any truth to the claim that having a specific heart rate was a requirement to start a running program.

             

            And not one single person in this thread has mentioned footstrike.

            sport jester


            Biomimeticist

               This year I read about the forefoot strike running and this was a real saver. I tried running in this new manner and my knee felt healthy, so I thought I could resume running.

               

               Sounds like he's running with a forefoot landing, and therefore artificially running with a higher than necessary heart rate.

               

              Heart rate is an ubiased reference to oxygen needs of the athlete/soldier. If he wants to keep it as low as possible, then forefoot landing simply won't achieve it.

              Experts said the world is flat

              Experts said that man would never fly

              Experts said we'd never go to the moon

               

              Name me one of those "experts"...

               

              History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                The only way to control your heart rate and keep it under a set level if that's your goal is a focus on improving your walking/running skills.

                 

                And unfortunately, the mid and forefoot running promoted by many coaches is documented to not only slow you down, but artificially increase your heart rate.

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16195026

                 

                You'll have to take a different training direction if controlling your heart rate is your goal.

                 

                Sports Jester,

                I've met people like you before, and I know that there is little that anybody can do to talk rationally with you.

                In your mind, you are always right, and others (if they differ from you) are always wrong.  Nobody can see as clear as you.

                 

                I'd recommend you tone down your "enthusiasm" for your methodology.  You sound like a salesman rather than a "trusted teacher" or "go to guy" when it comes to running.


                There are others who have convictions in their methodology similar to how you have convictions in your methodology, but most of them do not lay out their methodology as the gospel truth.

                 

                Whenever I see a post from you, I realize that this thread is destined for doom.  It's sad that someone like you can sabotage legitimate questions and legitimate dialogue in order for you to "sell" your way to a group of people who really don't want to buy into your way.

                 

                Whenever we read a post from you, the rest of us should just let it fall on deaf ears.

                 

                Dimitry, I'm sorry that he's entered this thread.  Based on prior forum behavior, he'll banter for hours on end and "yell" at people as they "yell" back. 

                 

                Basically, this type of forum behavior sucks.

                2014 Goals:

                #1: Do what I can do. <DOING>

                #2: 365 Hours training

                 

                sport jester


                Biomimeticist

                  So quoting research is "yelling"?

                   

                  Lets see....

                   

                  Forefoot landing requires the calf muscle to absorb the landing impact instead of the joints (a positive function).

                   

                  Calf muscle fires to slow heel landing on ground surface.

                   

                  Calf muscle fires a third (and fatigued) time to push off.

                   

                  Heel strike landing has no calf muscle firing in landing mechanics and therefore only fires once per step

                   

                  Six calf muscle firings per gait cycle compared with two firings per gait cycle.

                   

                  Sounds like the source to high heart rate levels to me....

                   

                  Science and biology are facts, not yelling.

                   

                  If I'm wrong, then cite a reference with clinical reference besides, "Billys running website"

                  Experts said the world is flat

                  Experts said that man would never fly

                  Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                   

                  Name me one of those "experts"...

                   

                  History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                  Scout7


                  CPT Curmudgeon

                    If I agree with you, will you shut up and go away?

                      So quoting research is "yelling"?

                       

                      The "banter" without this post is like a "yell".

                      Yes, I do think that you yell, and others yell in response (similar to this post I'm sending).

                      2014 Goals:

                      #1: Do what I can do. <DOING>

                      #2: 365 Hours training

                       

                      xor


                        Sports Jester,

                        I've met people like you before, and I know that there is little that anybody can do to talk rationally with you.

                        In your mind, you are always right, and others (if they differ from you) are always wrong.  Nobody can see as clear as you.

                         

                        I'd recommend you tone down your "enthusiasm" for your methodology.  You sound like a salesman rather than a "trusted teacher" or "go to guy" when it comes to running.


                        There are others who have convictions in their methodology similar to how you have convictions in your methodology, but most of them do not lay out their methodology as the gospel truth.

                         

                        Whenever I see a post from you, I realize that this thread is destined for doom.  It's sad that someone like you can sabotage legitimate questions and legitimate dialogue in order for you to "sell" your way to a group of people who really don't want to buy into your way.

                         

                        Whenever we read a post from you, the rest of us should just let it fall on deaf ears.

                         

                        Dimitry, I'm sorry that he's entered this thread.  Based on prior forum behavior, he'll banter for hours on end and "yell" at people as they "yell" back. 

                         

                        Basically, this type of forum behavior sucks.

                         

                        Or.  A person named sport JESTER is trolling.

                         

                        Which also sucks.

                         

                        sport jester


                        Biomimeticist

                          What I teach was fully tested and verified

                          Experts said the world is flat

                          Experts said that man would never fly

                          Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                           

                          Name me one of those "experts"...

                           

                          History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                          xor


                            What I teach was fully tested and verified

                             

                            Copernicus, nobody cares.  Whether you are serious or trolling, nobody cares.  Nobody has asked you for more info.

                             

                            Some of us have poked you with a stick, some of us have patiently tried to get you to change tactics.  But nobody is trying to learn from you.

                             

                            As a troll, you are (apparently) pretty effective.

                             

                            As a serious "scientist", you are a ape banana wacky shit over-the-top nuts crazy fucking idiot.

                             

                            Go away.  Shoo.

                             

                            sport jester


                            Biomimeticist

                              NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                               

                              I gave the OP a clinical journal reference to managing his running economy.

                               

                              Sorry if you don't like the fact that I cite journal references rather than BS websites as a reference....

                              Experts said the world is flat

                              Experts said that man would never fly

                              Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                               

                              Name me one of those "experts"...

                               

                              History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


                              Prince of Fatness

                                nobody cares.  Nobody has asked you for more info.

                                Semi-retired.