MM#209 / JapanJoyful#803
I guess I’m a cyclist….which will take some getting used to...”
great! I mean, too bad.
I'd never admit it herein but
I definitely like biking more than running
but never thought I'd see a daily start off
with two cyclists and with roch later on.
For me, cycling's just like alpine skiing
I used to do all the time and uses the same
muscles so I don't have to train for cycling either.
Unfortunately, as recently noted, through no fault of our own,
cycling can be very, very dangerous. That's why I love triathlons
so much with highway lanes closed for cyclists, police monitoring
all the intersection that would otherwise be inconvenient
interrupting stops, etc.
.
However, that doc sounds like he's trying to say something
that sounds like he knows what he's talking about rather
than figuring out how to keep you running.
Better luck with the referral.
I hope he's just another example of a doctor gone wrong.
.,
Otherwise, don't close the door in the future
to acupuncture, mental focus healing,
hands healing, miracles, robotics, etc.
"Enjoy yourself. Your younger days never come again." 100yo T. Igarashi to me in geta at top of Mt. Fuji (8/2/87)
My run today was brutal! I am not sure what happened but I totally wilted. It may have been the slowest 15 mile run of my life at a 10:57 pace. I even stopped twice for water and once for a quick head shower at one of the beaches I stopped at for water. Still ended up walking a lot. Something happened last year to my body or fitness last year that has made me more sensitive to the dew point. I used to shrug off even 70° dew points (think swamp). Now, it does me in.
Maybe you should see a doctor about that...
Doug, runnin' cycling in Rochester, MI
"Think blue, count two, and look for a red shoe"
Rose Colored Glasses
Tramps. If you are like me, you will need time to process all of this. Twocat, no need to preface or qualify your thoroughly sound advice. Good medical professionals, like good people everywhere, need to be open to second opinions.
Doug, remember walking around Ann Arbor with deebeegeebee and the r.s.?
Tomwhite, you are a testament to sticktoitism. It helps us all.
I saw the hand doctor yesterday. She was excellent. It's good when an orthopedic surgeon does not recommend surgery! She did, however, give me a steroid injection. Ouch.
She says this should help but, if it doesn't, we can discuss other options. No need for another appointment unless the pain worsens. It already has better mobility.
Lucky me. One big complaint with the wrist issue was I couldn't bike without bad consequences. Love my bike! And lycra spandex! So flattering, especially in the abdominal area.
Not.
"Anytime you see the word "inflation" in the news, replace it with "record-breaking corporate profits" and you'll get what's happening."
Tramps, I'm really sorry to hear that! You have been one of our running stalwarts over the years.On the medical side, I know some runners of my advanced age (70+) who have gone the knee replacement route, but so far it has only been about a 50% ratio for good outcomes as far as a return to running is concerned.
Tramps, at the advanced age of 80+ I went the knee replacement route after trying everything else and not running for a year. Now, as I approach 9 months post-op I've run 3 5 K's (another coming up in 8 days), slowly but a bit faster each time. I love running and racing and nothing will replace it (I 've done a lot of cycling including 2 centuries) and I intend to run as long as I can. Our 65+ runners club attests to the longevity of runners who have overcome many orthopedic problems. Don't give up!
And by the way, the Roubaix is a very good choice. Also nice to go with the entry level model to give yourself room for a later, expensive upgrade.
Wait, this was my expensive upgrade!
Thanks for all the supportive comments and advice. This is a great bunch of folks and I appreciate you letting me think out loud about this. (BTW, I’ve been poking around the web and came across some shady characters with familiar names discussing this back in 2009.)
Just to clarify, though, my doc’s an athlete in a university-based sports clinic, where she deals with athletes of all ages all the time. She wasn’t saying I can’t run; she was just laying out the options and likely consequences, leaving me to decide which goal (#3 or #4) was more important to me. Lots of unknowns and uncertainties make it a tough decision. And, of course, there’s plenty of anecdotes to support whatever position you want to believe.
I highly doubt I’ll go the surgery route; my functioning is just too high and the success rates for this kind of tear are just too low to warrant it now. The really tough judgment call is about whether or not (or how much) I run. My doc’s judgment was clear: more running will cause more damage and likely accelerate the osteoarthritis that’s already shown up. I’m not sure I totally buy that; it seems a bit extreme. But I need to better understand the likely effects of continued running. Until I do, I'll stop, start PT (I got my first appointment scheduled for August 16th, today), and try cycling. Whatever happens, I’m hoping a more well-rounded approach to strengthening and aerobic exercise will be good for me.
Also, I’ve already got the spandex (technically, Lycra). What do you think the reference to “fancy pants” was about?
Be safe. Be kind.
Erika, our trip is not firmed up yet due to negotiating about a cabin upgrade, but if it comes off it will be starting in a town in the interior named "Fairbanks" where, among other things, we visit the Museum of the North on some local college campus. Ever heard of it? And by the way, it turns out that it would be closer for us to fly from here to Europe compared to Fairbanks! I don't know how you manage to do so much traveling.
Woot! How cool is that? We'll definitely plan on getting together for dinner or something! Yay, Doug is coming to Fairbanks! You'll love the Museum. I'm actually looking at it out my window now, just kitty corner and across the parking lot from me. So what's the timeline? Oooooo this is so exciting! Like when Starr came to visit! And yes, I know it's a long haul to get here. That's why I have so many airline miles....
MM #5615
Hello everybody!
That is very cool, Erika. Have you and Doug ever met?
That stinks, Tramps. But--and I'm not kidding--you sound like a natural on the bike. If I had ridden 20 miles, two days in a row, my butt, neck, and shoulders would be killing me, right now. Whatever it takes to stay in shape.
I went 6.
Debbie is calling me up for supper. Gotta go. But I have to show off my granddaughters...
See ya!
Labrat
Actually got 20 miles on the bike after work.
No storms popped locally.
5K 20:23 (Vdot 48.7) 9/9/17
10K 44:06 (Vdot 46.3) 3/11/17
HM 1:33:48 (Vdot 48.6) 11/11/17
FM 4:13:43 (Vdot 35.4) 3/4/18
turtle runner eximious
I decided to put on my big boy running pants and go outside today. 90°F, with a dewpoint above 70°. I was slower than a turtle, needed to change shirts every mile, but I did it. 7+ icky miles for me.
Michael
Marathon Maniac #957
I have several crowns from cracked teeth from bruxism (grinding and clenching my teeth while sleeping). Back in the mid-80's, he prescribed a night guard to protect my teeth from the eventual cracking that ruined so many of them. The insurance I had at the time said nope, that's cosmetic. Really? Nowadays, I believe a nightguard is seen as a protective preventive tool to preserve teeth and save thousands on later crowns. It's also a case of "if I knew then what I know now," I would've found a way to pay for the damn thing out of pocket over 30 years ago. Just think of the grief and money that would've saved.
No fricken doubt! I have lost I think 5 molars due to cracking the root from nighttime clenching. Which caused additional damage to my other teeth due to the change in my bite. Yet my insurance still will not pay for the night guard. I am getting a new one in a couple of weeks, because my teeth have changed due to new bridge and last year's implants. Wish I had started doing this 30 years ago.
Life is a headlong rush into the unknown. We can hunker down and hope nothing hits us or we can stand tall, lean into the wind and say, "Bring it on, darlin', and don't be stingy with the jalapenos."
I LOVE pics of your grandchildren - they are adorable and always add a smile to my day!
rochrunner last year I did. Doctor said I am suffering from O.L.D. Apparently, not much can be done to reverse that.
Tramps your doctor's background certainly helps. I would still get another doctor to look things over. Long story, but in my case the very, very famous sports doctor (writes for Runner's World) did not lead me to a fix for my hamstrings. Another, much less famous non-sports specialist, did. My primary care doctor thinks said famous doctor did not view me, a running schmo, as someone to spend too much mental effort on. (My primary care doctor put it a lot more nicely.) My primary care doctor suggested getting a much less famous person who would view me as a priority. Thanks to mariposai I found someone. That led to a physical therapist who actually managed to get me fixed. That PT succeeded where at least three prior PTs had failed.
All of the dental stories sound awful! How expensive are these night guards? Must be pricey if the cost can get people to pass up on them in the hope everything turns out fine anyway.
Live like you are dying not like you are afraid to die.
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pretty cool mountain in the background too.
I've rarely, if ever, heard dew point announced
on the weather forecasts out here in the PNW.
Is it a reference point in the more humid parts of the country?
About 20 years ago when I was about the same age as most everyone herein is except rochie, henny and selbie in our seventies and beyond, my then dentist said the $30 drug store varieties were just as good as the $500 dentist ones. I have an Oral-B Professional Thin-fit Nighttime Dental Guard now that's great. Wear it for some of the bumpier biking around here too and will have it ready when GS arrives next week.
In the meantime, long after my regular doc retired more than two years ago, I'm still looking for a doctor who'll not make me feel like I'm just in the way for his next appointment. Kind of like listening to baseball games nowadays where the game seems to be getting in the way of the next round of five or six commercials between innings or pitching changes. Not like back when the "look-sharp / feel sharp / be sharp" Gillette Blue Blade jingle was all there was before the play-by-play announcers would actually have time to do some actual baseball commentary on what was going on. Still like Gillettes, . . and Pepsodent toothpaste too.
Carolyn
Mike, those grandkids are so dang cute! And playing soccer already??? I thought they were still babies! I also wonder how I have a son in law, when my DD is still a baby...
I hammered down the trail, passing rocks and trees like they were standing still.
Carolyn I was thinking the same thing. And yeah, I have a daughter-in-law that I'm still scratching my head about.
Holly, I'm surprised your plan won't cover a night guard. Most cover at 80% now. I got a special retainer after I had braces in 1999 that I still wear that has a "bite plate" added to it. Works like a charm so far.
Twocat, I think when DH got his a few years ago it was close to $900. Yeah they're expensive but can prevent so much expensive and uncomfortable dental work later. And the over-the-counter ones just don't work as well.
cute kids, Mike. I also thought they were still in diapers. Apparently not.