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"Expose Your Slow Twitchers" Daily Maffetone and/or Low-HR Training Reports (Read 23291 times)

npaden


    I have my audio cues on my phone set to tell me what my avg HR and current HR are every 1/2 mile, but I think it takes a measurement every six seconds or something like that. I can go back and look at my graph after the fact and see any spikes or anything strange that happened during the run. Good luck on your long run tomorrow, pretty amazing progress for you so far. Hard to fathom the dedication to get up at 4 am every morning and put in those miles going around and around and around the track. Keep on keeping on.

    Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

    Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

    BeeRunB


      4.07 miles

      1:10:00

      84°

       zone 100-120 bpm

       

      Wraps up second full week. Getting there. Recovery tomorrow.

      Have a great weekend.

      --JImmyCool

      npaden


        6.29 miles, 11:25 avg pace, 138 avg HR. Out in Arizona on business. Beautiful morning! 67 degrees, calm and 15% humidity. Ran around the golf course at the casino, very scenic and peaceful at 5:15 in the morning! A little slow and HR a couple beats high, but lots of ups and downs and an unfamiliar course. Good run.

        Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

        Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

        kfmfe04


          6.29 miles, 11:25 avg pace, 138 avg HR. Out in Arizona on business. Beautiful morning! 67 degrees, calm and 15% humidity. Ran around the golf course at the casino, very scenic and peaceful at 5:15 in the morning! A little slow and HR a couple beats high, but lots of ups and downs and an unfamiliar course. Good run.

           

          Nice Job!  Now you know why I like to jog in the morning!  

           

          Thanks for your kind words.  There are definitely drawbacks to the way I'm training, but I try to focus on the positives:

           

          • HS Track lets me use the facilities, lets me potentially use every run as a MAF test, makes the run more social and interesting (lots of dogs and people walking around), is easy on the feet and knees, is safer for barefoot running, allows me to use one round on the outer ring as a potential Run-Walk-Run point, feels better than running indoors on a treadmill, has better air than running on the road, etc...
          • Running every morning at 4AM makes training a habit, so it's easier to do every day.  It's a no-brainer that I need to get my ass out of bed and onto the track, so it is much harder to back out...

          Burned-on-the-track-by-a-Girl Saturday:  Long Day 48, 4AM HS Track, 24C, 21C dp, dry, MAF=138

          13k shodded 1:34:04 HR: 135 pace: 11'34"mpm (10k PB 1:12:12)

          7k barefoot 0:52:38 HR: 133 pace: 12'01"mpm

           

          Every long day, I wake up a little earlier (3:10AM instead of 3:40AM) so I can finish around the same time.  When I got up this early, my first 3.5 kilometers were in the dark.  By the time the sun was up, there were around a dozen people on the track, mostly walkers, some with dogs.  Most of them are older than me and regulars that I recognize from day-to-day.  Today, around 4.5km, a girl with long hair, a breathing mask, a cap, long pants, and a running jacket comes buzzing by on the inner loop.  I mean, she was fast!  I estimate her to be around 5'4", maybe 95lbs.  By the time she had stopped around my 10.5km mark, she had inner loop lapped me on the outer loop around 12 times.  WTF!?!?  Usually, the geek in me would take a few minutes and do back-of-the-envelope estimates of her pace, but this was so ego-crushing that I had no will...

           

          ...so I MAFed along, as usual.

           

          The next time I came around, she had took off the mask and cap, and was stretching, so I took a better look.

           

          She had facial hair?!?!  Double WTF?!?!  She's a man, baby!  (Cue the theme from "The Crying Games")

           

          I don't know what's worse:  getting burned by a fast girl or by a really ugly girly-man.  Joking

           

          My check list for the 13+7 today:

           

          • Mini carbo-load the night before: check
          • Take it easy on yesterday morning's run: check
          • Drink 400cc of water and take a dump before the run: check
          • Wake up a bit earlier, out-of-bed, and onto the track in reasonable time: check
          • Nice dry track and reasonable temperatures: check
          • 10k PB of 1:12:12: check

          With a great 13k run, I expected to also PB during the 7k, but it was not to be.  The first km felt great and was fast, but I quickly succumbed to fatigue.  I just couldn't keep the pace up for the next 6k, and I dropped a gear to a lower HR.

           

          It's ok:  I will take what my body gives me.  The important thing in this kind of situation is to avoid doing anything stupid that can cause an injury:  Mission Accomplished.

           

          Also, I got an e-mail yesterday telling me that my huaraches are being shipped.  Once they arrive, I will probably have a transition period where I am using shoes, huaraches, and barefoot;  I intend to end up using just barefoot and huaraches.

           

          Tomorrow is an easy 3+5.

           

          - Ken

          Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

          Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

          Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

          My Training Log

           

          BeeRunB


            Ken,  amazing how fast some people can walk. And sorry about the "cold shower" on your perception of the fast-walker with the wiggle.Cool That can be tuff. 

             

            Back when I was a walker, I had eclipsed 5 mph and there were still some women who were lapping me. And those race-walkers in the Olympics can go 6:30 per mile pace for 20k (which is better than 9mph)!

             

            Off today. Sweet glorious rest and recovery!

             

            --Jimmy

            kfmfe04


              Ken,  amazing how fast some people can walk. And sorry about the "cold shower" on your perception of the fast-walker with the wiggle.Cool That can be tuff. 

               

              Back when I was a walker, I had eclipsed 5 mph and there were still some women who were lapping me. And those race-walkers in the Olympics can go 6:30 per mile pace for 20k (which is better than 9mph)!

               

              Off today. Sweet glorious rest and recovery!

               

              --Jimmy

               

              Jimmy,

               

              Let's just say it was an amusing morning...  Race-walkers @ 6'30" mpm for 20k?!?!?  That's insane!  At least that gives me some much-needed perspective.  Thx!

               

              Pre-Minor Typhoon Mawar (瑪蛙) Sunday:  Recovery Day 49, 4AM HS Track, 25C, 22C dp, drizzle on-off, MAF=138

              3k shodded 0:23:28 HR: 126 pace: 12'30"mpm

              5k barefoot 0:33:58 HR: 134 pace: 10'52"mpm (mi PB 10'45", 5k PB 33'56")

               

              3k shodded warm-up was sluggish.

              5k barefoot was not.

               

              Much needed recovery day today.  Tomorrow is an easy 3+6.

               

              - Ken

              Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

              Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

              Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

              My Training Log

               

              npaden


                10.19 miles, 137 avg HR, 11:17 avg pace.

                 

                Great day for a run. Overcast, 73 degrees and 58% humidity, south wind 10 mph. A few light rain showers mixed in there. Good run, although a little slower than I was expecting not bad for a long run.  Just not really seeing any pattern to my fast days and slow days right now.

                Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                npaden


                  3.13 miles, 12:08 avg pace, 136 avg HR.

                   

                  Quick run right as the sun was going down. 91 degrees and 20mph south wind at the start, down to 86 degrees and 10mph wind at the end.  Really hard to keep under MAF starting out into the wind with the high temp. Had to hold my phone in my hand to get my pace slow enough. Easier on the way home with the wind. Good run.

                  Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                  Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                  kfmfe04


                    BBQ Monday:  Short Day 50, 3PM HS Track, 28C, 24C dp, drizzle->cloudy, MAF=138

                    3k shodded 0:23:09 HR: 133 pace: 12'19"mpm

                    6k barefoot 0:44:11 HR: 135 pace: 11'47"mpm

                     

                    With the typhoon nearby, it was ugly this morning, so I aborted my morning run in hopes of making it up in the afternoon.

                     

                    3PM came around with a slight drizzle so I headed out.  For reference, 28C=82F.

                     

                    When the air feels like it has volume, that's not a good sign.

                     

                    The first shodded km felt hot and very slow: HR about 10bpm higher than normal so I had to insert in a couple of walks to bring me down below MAF.  Then it got ugly in km 2-3.  Normally, my body dissipates heat into the air, but now, the sun was peaking out and giving me a BBQ and the track was reflecting heat back at me:  not fun at all.  

                     

                    Luckily, by the barefoot run, the sun was low enough that it was being blocked out by clouds, trees, and buildings.  I was actually pleasantly surprised that the overall pace wasn't much worse than yesterday.

                     

                    Tomorrow is a long 11+7.  If the weather forecast is right, I will be happy to do that one tomorrow morning at 4AM!

                     

                    - Ken

                    Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                    Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                    Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                    My Training Log

                     

                    kfmfe04


                      Back on (Slow) Track Tuesday:  Long Day 51, 4AM HS Track, 25C, 23C dp, slight drizzle->dry, MAF=138

                      11k shodded 1:26:30 HR: 131 pace: 12'35"mpm

                      7k barefoot 0:53:43 HR: 131 pace: 12'16"mpm

                       

                      Most of the shodded run went ok (not great, not too bad) this morning, until km 8, when I had stomach ailments.  It was bad enough that I had seriously considered cutting the run short and aborting the barefoot.  I gave myself that option and kept in mind that I only had another 3 km to go, and I could go home.  After the run, I decided to do a couple km barefoot and see how I felt.  The first km was fast and comfortable.  The second less so.  At that point, I convinced myself that I only had 5km to go and I could abort any time I wanted to.  I managed to finish, but it was not much fun.

                       

                      Possible causes for my ailments this morning:  12hr rest since my last run, relatively hot, muggy morning, and something I ate yesterday.  One other possibility is the distance is too great.  I will keep a close eye out on the Thursday run (11+7) for signs of problems and cut back, if need be.

                       

                      Tomorrow is an easy 2+6.

                       

                      - Ken

                      Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                      Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                      Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                      My Training Log

                       

                      npaden


                        4.58 miles, 135 avg HR, 11:25 avg pace.

                         

                        65 degrees, 5mph NW breeze, humid. Not sure why I can't seem to break through these 11:20 type days. Seems like I should be in the high 10:00's consistently by now.  Good run anyway.

                        Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                        Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                        kfmfe04


                          Stomach Flu Wednesday:  Short Day 52, 4AM HS Track, 24C, 21C dp, perfect, MAF=138

                          2k shodded 0:15:21 HR: 123 pace: 12'16"mpm

                          4k barefoot 0:29:44 HR: 124 pace: 11'52"mpm

                           

                          Perfect weather this morning.

                           

                          Unfortunately, I think I caught a case of the stomach flu:  had to take a dump before, during (in between the shodded and the barefoot), and after the run.  A triple dump within an hour is a first...

                           

                          It wasn't worth it to continue the 4k run to the scheduled 6k so I aborted the run.  Note the really low HR's (123=MAF-15, 124=MAF-14) due to lack of energy from a screwed up stomach.  Surprisingly, the pace was decent, thanks to the fantastic dry, cool morning air.

                           

                          I plan to go off-schedule for a few days, until my guts are back to normal. 

                           

                          - Ken

                          Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                          Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                          Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                          My Training Log

                           


                          Petco Run/Walk/Wag 5k

                            Hey guys! I'm still out there, running/wogging LHR style, but haven't been checking in here because of issues am wrestling with again. Got my VA disability and am using their pharmacy which made some medications changes that I think modified heart rate profile and possibly MAF. Got buried up my butt for a bit too and noticed higher resting hr and quick rise to MAF when getting out, so got frustrated and pissed off about the dang Agent Orange crap. Am finally on the positive side of things and getting out regularly with new dog Baxter, a rescue Yorkie that lost most of his hair due to being chemically burned. He loves to walk and we should be able to do 3, maybe 4 miles/morning. I might re do MAF determination test and start over before fall with intention of rebuilding endurance for a fall half or two. We'll see.

                             

                            Ya'll keep on keeping on! Ya here!

                            bob e v
                            2014 goals: keep on running! Is there anything more than that?

                            Complete the last 3 races in the Austin Distance Challenge, Rogue 30k, 3M Half, Austin Full

                            Break the 1000 mi barrier!

                            History: blessed heart attack 3/15/2008; c25k july 2008 first 5k 10/26/2008 on 62nd birthday.

                            npaden


                              5.68 miles, 11:41 avg pace, 140 avg HR.

                               

                              First ever run during lunch. 66 degrees and 84% humidity so I figured I'd go for it. Seemed much warmer out there running and ended up letting my HR get up too much at the end. Overcast and 10mph SSE breeze. GPS messed up but I got it edited. Hard to get cooled back down without a shower. Overall good run anyway.

                              Age: 50 Weight: 224 Height: 6'3" (Goal weight 195)

                              Current PR's:  Mara 3:14:36* (2017); HM 1:36:13 (2017); 10K 43:59 (2014); 5K 21:12 (2016)

                              kfmfe04


                                Muggy Thursday:  Recovery Day 53, 5AM HS Track, 27C, 22C dp, dry, MAF=138

                                5k shodded 0:40:30 HR: 122 pace: 12'57"mpm

                                3k barefoot 0:24:28 HR: 114 pace: 13'02"mpm

                                 

                                Hot 27C=80.6F morning.  Still adjusting diet in an attempt to get rid of stomach ailments.

                                 

                                Taking it real slow (122=MAF-14, 114=MAF-24) allowed me to feel much better at the end of the run.

                                 

                                - Ken

                                 

                                Age:42, MAF:138, 168cm/5'6", 62.2kg/137lb (from 73kg/161lb), BF: 14.9%

                                Goals:  MAF10k@56:50, 59kg/130lb (32 days to go)

                                Stage: Trying to get back to MAF Base Building after muscle strain injury

                                My Training Log